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65121.3 in reply to 65121.2
Date: 12/20/2008 6:24:43 PM
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Is there anyone who have suggested reasonable levels for different skills dependent on position in team?

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65121.4 in reply to 65121.3
Date: 12/20/2008 6:27:10 PM
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look in the newbie help thread at the top of this forum, must players i know rate the defence skill much higher then there but it ain't a bad indikation ;)

But it depends much on your team and your tactics, and also your opponent what skills are right.

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Date: 12/20/2008 6:29:08 PM
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I just think intuitively that a shooting guard should need at least mediocre even if team plays Run and Gun. Is that unreasonable thinking and I should rather put priority on even better shooting for SG and SF?

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Date: 12/21/2008 2:44:26 AM
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i usually play with half PG on the SG spot, but how i said i t depends on your whole team, i wouldn't that it give that SG.

And how high are the other SG Skills, you are looking for?

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65121.7 in reply to 65121.6
Date: 12/21/2008 5:13:10 AM
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This is skills for one of my players:
Jump Shot: prominent Jump Range: proficient ↑
Outside Def.: average Handling: strong
Driving: respectable Passing: awful
Inside Shot: pitiful Inside Def.: atrocious
Rebounding: atrocious Shot Blocking: pitiful
Stamina: strong Free Throw: strong

I got pretty poor PGs as I do not train them. To do well it might be good to compensate it with a bit better passing on SG's and SF's perhaps.

Should I instead train outside def on such a player despite having much better such skill?

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65121.8 in reply to 65121.7
Date: 12/21/2008 6:59:07 AM
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ok. i am going to sound very philosopical (again) and might not answer your question the way you would like to have it...

You are asking questions that cant be answered if you ask me. I have the feeling from the way you are asking (excuse me when I am terribly wrong) that like me you are playing hattrick as well. The first thing you have to understand is that this is not hattrick. Where players only need ONE skill and perhaps a sub skill at low level.

In buzzerbeater there is no right or wrong...All skills are good to have. It all depends on the tactics you are using and who you are playing. I am not a pro when it comes to basketball, but if you ask 100 people how they would train their guards in this game, you have a good chance to get 100 different answers. Also, I am not sure how important positions are. I believe (havent tested this yet) that Playing with 3 guards and an outside based defense and attack or playing with 3 PF/Centers and an inside based defense and attack is very much possbile too. Maybe even with 4 guards for the 1st option and 4 PF/Centers for the second option, works too. I think it all depends on your tactics and your oponents tactics. The very good teams, have very all round players for all positions, but if you are starting it is a huge puzzle every game to put the right guy on the right spot on the pitch...

I am training guards. I am first training OD, because this is the slowest to train, but in the end I will train all 6 skills I think are the most important for guards. JS, JR, OD, HD, DR and PS. Off course when you train Centers they need Rebounding and Inside Defence the most and perhaps some ID(again based on tactics etc), but again if you ask 100 different people they will all say different things on what sub skills to train and some dont even train sub skills.

I think a more balanced player in this game (compared to hattrick) is a lot more powerfull than a single skilled or only a few skills trained player. But I am sure you find many people that would disagree with me...

What you should do for yourself is, to create a training plan, look at what skills your players need for the tactics you are going to use in the future and train the skills these players lack.

this is a great game, but if you seriously want to build a very strong team. you will need a lot off time to plan ahead and be patient, it will take time before your players become superstars, simply because they need many skills...

ps with regards to the player you showed us, I think his OD is a bit low. But than if you never play 3-2, i think it is less important to train it. Driving I think is important for your SG, because they will be the scoring guys for your team and you dont want to miss the couple driving layups every game they get.

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65121.9 in reply to 65121.7
Date: 12/21/2008 12:11:09 PM
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i would first train him in OD, when you make one position training you could start with passing, to make him more suitable for the PG training spot.

But OD is for me the most important Guard Skill, but like Astragoth said, i won't be bad to have an Guard who could do everything or at least driving+ od + JS+ JR as a Shooting guards ...

This was the way most players will train their trainee, but for example driving wasn't trained from the italian nationalteams and they are very succesful ... But even NT who look more heavily on driving, have succes not that much but they work good ;)

Edit: The superior succes of the italian, i think won't base on their regret to one on one training, i would say they have the best orhanisation in scouting and take care of their potential player, and maybe they profitate a (little) bit from the no one on one philosophie.

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65121.10 in reply to 65121.9
Date: 12/21/2008 4:08:25 PM
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Guess I should train outside defense instead. Something not possible for SG/SF anyway. A bit doubtful that SF need a lot of outside defense though and I try to combine those positions ...

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65121.11 in reply to 65121.10
Date: 12/21/2008 5:30:30 PM
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can you not train (let him play) your SF in a guard position so he gets training??

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65121.12 in reply to 65121.11
Date: 12/22/2008 4:51:32 AM
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That is exactly what I am doing

But important that I train something that benefits both SF's and SG's as I train both those positions. If SF has little use of outside defense then I should try something else. I will train this two positions this season but not sure how I will continue. A bit tempting to train SF and PF for next season but partly depends on what drafts I will have of course.

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Date: 12/22/2008 4:55:52 AM
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like i said, no skill is useless.if you play 3-2 (if i understan it correctly) your SF helps increase your perimeter defense and than having an OD skill definatelly helps!!!.

If you plan to play 2-3 than your SF will help more out rebounding and inside defending. so it all depends what tactics you are going to use...

and yes it is a bit tempting to swatch training other positions. but train 2 positions for 2 years and train other positions for 2 years you surely will have a squad off decent players. train 2 positions for 4 years and you might have developed a few all stars or mvp´s

Last edited by Astragoth at 12/22/2008 4:57:30 AM