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have fun, ive fought this fight before.

Don't make me bring up the result! ;)

TPE is way off in the majority of cases. I could show you over 100 players listed right now that will not sell within their TPE. And if the TPE is an 800k range then it isn't accurate.

If the 19 year old was drafted at 19 then training is fine. But what I mean is that his skills aren't as high as it could be for a 19 year old.

Respectable Jump Shot is good for a PF when you realise the PF is 19 years old. Obviously the Jump Shot will be trained up higher in the future. But for 19 years old that is pretty good. So how much do you think my guy would have sold for if I had just trained primaries and not secondaries? 2.5 million? 3 million?

I sold him because I think that 1.75 million dollars is more use to me now in div 2 than 2.5 million dollars would be if I kept training him for the rest of the season. I would rather stay in div 2 than train up a powerforward, especially considering today's market.

well half the result was i was wrong , the other half was you were wrong as i will be staying in div 2.

I didn't exactly say you were going to get demoted. I said you wouldn't be able to be competitive... And yes, I was wrong.

But the other half was your player skill scouting program that I told you isn't possible and was proven when you guessed virtually none of my PFs skills, even though you allowed up to 5 pops error margin...

true, and while you say it isnt possible i still hold hope it is, though ive been stuck on the program for a good month or so now.

with that being said i am leaning towards thinking that it cant be done with the limited information i have , or that to make it work id need to basically scout the whole div and use and sales of players as base points .

neither of which would be useful within a season

Last edited by zyler at 8/25/2010 2:31:49 AM

TPE is way off in the majority of cases. I could show you over 100 players listed right now that will not sell within their TPE. And if the TPE is an 800k range then it isn't accurate.

Show some examples or stay on topic. TPE is what players with all skillsets are sold for based on age, potential and highest skill. Never once have I said it was 100% accurate to the dollar figure you will sell a player, but it is a range that you can expect, and of all the well rounded players I have had they have all sold within the range that was predicted. Your player sold for that price because he had good primaries for his age, regardless of how long you spent on his secondaries. Secondaries are enticing, but primaries are what they are for a reason and people will always pay more for a C with super IS, ID and Reb as opposed to a PF with good inside skills and good handling...

So how much do you think my guy would have sold for if I had just trained primaries and not secondaries? 2.5 million? 3 million?

Definately more than 2 mill.

going to have to disagree with you hear champ.

over the past season or so secondaries have gone way up in value.

have a quick look at centers/pfs with great primaries around the 100k salary mark with no secondaires.
now have a look at players with great secondaries instead of great primaries around the 70 k mark.

theres a good mil or so more money going to the 70k guys

Paul O'Sullivan (2237015)
Small Forward
Owner: Retired

Weekly salary: $ 15 668

DMI: 89600
Age: 33
Height: 6'0" / 183 cm
Potential: allstar *
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: sensational Jump Range: strong
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: inept
Driving: respectable Passing: inept
Inside Shot: inept Inside Def.: inept
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: inept
Stamina: average Free Throw: prominent

Experience: prominent
Transfer Price Estimate: There have been 6 recent transfers of 33+ year old small forwards with sensational jump shot and any potential. Of these, the ones with skills most similar to Paul O'Sullivan have been selling for around $ 300 000 to $ 350 000.

Sold for 250k. 50k under the TPE.


Shang Hong Tae (11670348)
Small Forward
Owner: Retired

Weekly salary: $ 14 426

DMI: 28700
Age: 21
Height: 6'7" / 201 cm
Potential: starter
Game Shape: average

Jump Shot: prolific Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: strong
Driving: inept Passing: awful
Inside Shot: average Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: awful Free Throw: respectable

Experience: pitiful

There have been 6 recent transfers of 21-22 year old small forwards with prolific jump shot and starter potential. Shang Hong Tae is probably better than all 6 of these players, but the few that are most similar have been selling for around $ 400 000 to $ 750 000.

Sold for $ 394 400. The TPE claims that this player is better than all the recently transferred players, and yet he sold for less than the lower estimate of the TPE. If the player was actually better he should have sold in the upper end of the TPE or over 700k. Shows that it isn't accurate.


Iván Paez (4577665)
Small Forward
Owner: Retired

Weekly salary: $ 16 517

DMI: 150200
Age: 27
Height: 6'4" / 193 cm
Potential: MVP
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: prolific Jump Range: strong
Outside Def.: average Handling: strong
Driving: proficient Passing: pitiful
Inside Shot: mediocre Inside Def.: average
Rebounding: proficient Shot Blocking: inept
Stamina: proficient Free Throw: prolific

Experience: respectable


Iván Paez was pick 5 in the season 4 draft by WenarLozok.

Transfer Price Estimate: There have been 62 recent transfers of 27-28 year old small forwards with prolific jump shot and any potential. Of these, the ones with skills most similar to Iván Paez have been selling for around $ 600 000 to $ 3 000 000.

Solf for 900k. TPE is a huge range. Not helpul at all in determining value. The player sold for 2.1 million less than the upper limit of the TPE.


Indrek Pajuste (4815773)
Shooting Guard
Owner: Retired

Weekly salary: $ 12 875

DMI: 64900
Age: 27
Height: 6'3" / 190 cm
Potential: allstar
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: prolific Jump Range: strong
Outside Def.: proficient Handling: average
Driving: average Passing: strong
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: pitiful
Rebounding: mediocre Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: inept Free Throw: proficient

Experience: respectable

Transfer Price Estimate: There have been 50 recent transfers of 27-28 year old shooting guards with prolific jump shot and any potential. Of these, the ones with skills most similar to Indrek Pajuste have been selling for around $ 500 000 to $ 700 000.

Sold for $ 483 100. The TPE was a 200k range and the player sold for less than the lower estimate. Not accurate.

Jos Nouwen (2296356)
Center
Owner: BC Seminari

Weekly salary: $ 10 933

DMI: 34200
Age: 30
Height: 7'0" / 213 cm
Potential: allstar *
Game Shape: respectable

Jump Shot: awful Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: awful
Driving: average Passing: awful
Inside Shot: prolific Inside Def.: proficient
Rebounding: mediocre Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: awful

Experience: respectable
Transfer Price Estimate: There have been 15 recent transfers of 29-30 year old centers with prolific inside shot and any potential. Of these, the ones with skills most similar to Jos Nouwen have been selling for around $ 150 000 to $ 350 000.

Was listed at 250k and did not sell. Shows the TPE isn't accurate.



I just searched for players with over 5k salary and listed the ones that were found within 10 minutes. Only 1 player was sold within the estimate and that was because the estimate range was 2.4 million!

Also I searched for players with over 20k salary and 8 out of the 10 players listed on the first page did not list a TPE as similar players hadn't been transferred recently.

have a quick look at centers/pfs with great primaries around the 100k salary mark with no secondaires.
now have a look at players with great secondaries instead of great primaries around the 70 k mark.

theres a good mil or so more money going to the 70k guys

How many 70k-100k 18-19 year olds are there?

Difference with those players is they are finished training. Someone has put seasons of training out of position to achieve that, and the majority of people dont see the value in training a player with good secondaries over a player who has higher primaries. I have stated several times that I believe this practice is wrong, and I have and will continue to give my trainees occasional secondary training , but if you are training a rookie for quick sale it is best to train as a 1 dimensional player to gain a higher market value. What I, you, naker the BBs or god himself believes a player is worth has no bearing on the discussion. The same way people light up over potential, they overlook weak secondaries when they see a player with 3-4 more pops in the primaries and they dont hold back on the finances.

If this player reaches 30k, I doubt very highly he will be up for sale and should incorparate secondary training (although nowhere near as much as naker did with his). But his secondaries are very low and would lose a lot of value to try and turn into the balanced player naker believes. That is why if he chooses to sell he should train primaries to gain the most value.

Last edited by Pablo Ignatio Montoya at 8/25/2010 3:14:12 AM