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231038.30 in reply to 231038.27
Date: 11/30/2012 3:29:37 PM
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1. Ideally a top shooting guard would something like 14/14/14/10/11/10 by the beginning of their 21 year old season. That's basically Lucas at the start of his 21yo season, taking the extra passing and moving it to JR and the extra OD and moving it to JS. Basically I'm looking for more JS/JR. You need a fair amount more, though, or else you get players like Donnie McDaniel, who fewmit was describing when he mentioned "chuckers who play LI". I'd rather have another point guard than one of those players. But a great shooter like Jonathan Yi or Jimmie Brown could be a valuable asset, I think.

2. Jones really wasn't a better defender than Ray on any level. Same IS, -5 OD, +1 rebounding, +1 SB. Not a big difference, so the FG% allowed was definitely deceptive. Jones had +2IS and much better driving, like fewmit said. So Ray's defense and Jones' offense complemented each other nicely. The thing about Jones is, he was 7'0" and started with 4 OD and 3 PA according to (196854.112). He also had at least two 2-week injuries that I can recall, one at the end of his 20 year old season and one while he was on the team. So if he had started with better OD/PA and/or if he hadn't been injured, he could have been significantly better. Overall, like fewmit said, they work very well together and it would be nice to have a player like each of them, but I'm probably more intrigued by the Jones-type player.

Ray also didn't help himself by doing his best to lose us the finals single-handed, chucking up shots and missing them. He had a problem all season with taking threes and jump shots and missing them. Neither Ray nor Jones had great JS/JR, but Jones at least could score inside so he wasn't shooting as many jump shots. A future Ray-type player would probably need more JS/JR and slightly less IS, instead of the jack of all trades, master of none skill set he had.

3. Call up 5 random scrubs (probably all from my team of course) to play so the regular guys can go home and spend Christmas with their family. ;)

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231038.31 in reply to 231038.10
Date: 11/30/2012 3:29:42 PM
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To answer your question my criteria for a U21 player will be high so that way when I'm done with the U21 players they'll go right on on the the NT. My managing style will be VERY interactive! I will go with the LI but defensively the USA community will help me. I'm always split between defensive tactics and you guys would help me a lot with that.

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231038.32 in reply to 231038.17
Date: 11/30/2012 3:32:23 PM
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I told tough this now I'm telling you this. I will have high expectation for the type of players I'll put on this team. So by the time I'm done with them they'll be ready for the NT.

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231038.33 in reply to 231038.11
Date: 11/30/2012 4:00:18 PM
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I forgot to add I will be scouting for a few seasons

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231038.34 in reply to 231038.29
Date: 11/30/2012 4:07:25 PM
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1. Let's say our best big is 17/17/14 in IS/ID/RB, but he had atrocious FT. Let's also say we were getting out rebounded every game, and there's only 4 weeks left in the season. The owner of this player asks you what you want him to train. What do you tell him? 4 weeks FT? 4 weeks RB? 2 weeks of each? Something else?

2. You've blanked SF for a few games, hoping to get a distribution of minutes between different types of players at SF, but the GE ends up playing this guy: 10/6/4/3/6/2 - 17/15/14/7 there all game. It's looked really nice in the ratings and pp100. But the next team you face plays a guard type at SF, perhaps this guy: 12/8/14/11/11/11 - 10/7/6/4. Do you keep rolling with the blank lineup, or do you start the best true SF you've got: 11/7/12/10/10/11 - 10/10/7/4 ? What else would you consider in this decision?

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231038.35 in reply to 231038.21
Date: 11/30/2012 4:26:06 PM
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Vote for Coco. That is all.

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231038.36 in reply to 231038.35
Date: 11/30/2012 4:36:51 PM
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Will either of my trainees have a good shot at the U21 Starting SF slot, and if hired what training would you want me to do with them this season?

Jacob Martinez
William Miranda

Thanks

Edited by jfarb, remove skills, sorry man

Last edited by jfarb at 11/30/2012 6:36:20 PM

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231038.37 in reply to 231038.34
Date: 11/30/2012 4:38:40 PM
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1. 3 weeks of FT and 1 week of RB. I think FT is very important so I would want the FT close to the mediocre+ but the RB is one of the most important parts of basketball so I would train in RB for at least just 1 week. If the best big gets that 14 to a 15 RB then he'll be a beast

2. I would go for the best true SF. His secondary skills may not be great but the OD is good so I would use him to shut down the guard like SF. I would also consider their tactics. For example if they go for motion I would easily choose my best true SF however if they go for LI or even LP then it would be a tougher decision because the first guy has nice secondary skills.

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231038.38 in reply to 231038.37
Date: 11/30/2012 4:42:30 PM
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But what if their JS/JR combos aren't good enough against other championship-caliber U21s, and they end up chucking jumpers all game long?

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231038.39 in reply to 231038.36
Date: 11/30/2012 4:45:34 PM
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Jacob Martinez has a good shot at making it. If I were you I would train the JS, JR, and OD. If you get those he'll be a good one for the U21 team and also build the PA a little. Maybe to about 8 but your main goal should be the JS, JR, OD. I don't think I would take William Miranda. I would mainly train the PA and JS. However even then I don't know if he can make so focus on Jacob this season.

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231038.40 in reply to 231038.34
Date: 11/30/2012 4:59:22 PM
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1. Let's say our best big is 17/17/14 in IS/ID/RB, but he had atrocious FT. Let's also say we were getting out rebounded every game, and there's only 4 weeks left in the season. The owner of this player asks you what you want him to train. What do you tell him? 4 weeks FT? 4 weeks RB? 2 weeks of each? Something else?
4 weeks FT training gets our guy to awful, lets say. According to our handy little chart here: (http://photosliv.ru/9297.jpg) that pulls him from 22% to 50%. I pretty much see that as gaining like 1 more point of offense per game. I'd rather get him to 15 (with decent sublevels 16) rebounding and try to cover the rebounding gap. Losing out in rebounding is not going to be made up by 1 point of offense. And while harder to quantify, I'm going with better rebounding being worth more points in the end.

2. You've blanked SF for a few games, hoping to get a distribution of minutes between different types of players at SF, but the GE ends up playing this guy: 10/6/4/3/6/2 - 17/15/14/7 there all game. It's looked really nice in the ratings and pp100. But the next team you face plays a guard type at SF, perhaps this guy: 12/8/14/11/11/11 - 10/7/6/4. Do you keep rolling with the blank lineup, or do you start the best true SF you've got: 11/7/12/10/10/11 - 10/10/7/4 ? What else would you consider in this decision?
The tactics used would be a big consideration here. I'll take this hypothetical a bit further and say that we're playing inside and the opponent plays outside (based on these players' skills). The question for me here is then whether to try and neutralize their guy (12 OD vs 12-8 JS-JR) or hope the offensive mismatch will be more beneficial to us with our big guy (17 IS vs 7 ID / 12-8 JS vs 4 OD). Honestly there's not enough information here to say what I would do...team ratings, other players, GS, opponent's tendencies, and other standard considerations all need to be factored in. But this is the framework with which I would view the dilemma.

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