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I didn't include out side revenue period . just the salary and sale. when you go into that, it may look good on paper but its the furthest from reality of league salary, because increases in worth is unknown. Yes you can see when a player going to pop, but how much salary are behind those pops. None know that. All we can do is assume for the stronger skill it increase but how much in salary will it.?

I don't depend on the draft for any income period.This game is made to start on it. for a good team, this game promotes it.. I'm saying it flawed it good but its not perfect nor is it fair. if you need 2 new trainees a year for fan $$ then you losing money when you sale them even for a better player.

So their no point to do the draft in top league the talent is not there, its waste of revenue, because the player cant help create game winning revenue and if you sell them, then that money is not that much either, other than help keep things afloat for a season.. But thats if you get the player.. which not the case the majority of the time.

But to each their own.



Last edited by Mr. Glass at 7/19/2013 6:00:47 PM

Why would you not include outside revenue? What do you think the salaries of the player do are there for. You aren't paying your players so they can be sold. You are paying them to play game and win. By winning you get $$$$$ which is a result of you paying your players. So I see no reason to only include the money you get from the sale and not any money from games. Going by your logic training players are worthless because when you sell them, you sell them at a loss since their salary already ate up any profits you would have made. If you're going to see how profitable it is training players and only include a portion of the money they generate, then your analysis is basically useless.

In top league this is true for some teams.. they sell at a lost because the salary's are very high. Its not my analysis per say.this game style of play is actually true.

Draft is worthless in top leagues. I don't see how you can argue that. All they can do is sell them to stay afloat( break even).

The best way to survive in the nbba or top is to arrive with a lot of cash and a very good young team or mid aged team that has the skills. Because salary's are so high you have sell you roster to get other players later on. If they have mass cash on hand then they can be more comfortable, not have to work so hard. But the manager still needs to be smart with his money cant go chasing the jones of BB.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 7/19/2013 6:29:50 PM

Draft is not "worthless" in top leagues. As an example of how you can still draft well in top leagues, I refer you to Arizona Cacti (29518), who drafted an 18yo HOF with good skills with the 9th pick last season (28411387) and an 18yo SS this season with the 25th pick (29558979). I'll grant that this is certainly an exception, but clearly you're going too far to say that drafting in the top leagues is altogether worthless.

I'll also grant that most high-division teams do not spend much on scouting. But you completely misunderstand why this is the case. All of the managers in the league are good enough to appreciate the value of the draft and the players you can get through it, so the 2-3 managers with the worst records are investing heavily in the draft, and because they know how to scout properly (do scouting combine/scout 18yos etc.) then it's almost certain that they will find and draft the top 2-3 prospects in the draft. So if you know you're a contender in a top division who's likely to have a pick in the 12-16 range, you know that someone will pick the player you want before you. So to summarize, I find it really ironic that you insist the draft is worthless in the upper leagues, when the only reason why it might be "worthless" is because all of the managers value it so highly.

Last edited by Turtle at 7/19/2013 6:26:52 PM

Yes that team is lucky. But that is not the norm.

A lot don't have the finances to do the draft. The draft should be for rebuilding as of right now it is not worth it. Unless you can do what Arizona Cacti did for 3 season if not then it impossible to rebuild with the draft in top league, You wi;
have to demote.

Because the money is not there nor is the talent

Im not being rude but profit is always the goal lol . Profit is a good goal to have, some say that's untrue statement but at the same time it good have the right finances and not have struggle and demote.

The Draft is fun and good for the leagues under the top ones , IN the top level you shouldn't need that draft.. Its still a game with a challenge at the end of the day. the higher it goes the harder it should be. So I cant disagree with it being useless in that aspect.. But it kind of unfair , but I guess I even out in a way.

I'm not ranting it down, You can use it and get good don't get me wrong, but it going have to come from the market in a buy. I would do the draft unless I was low on funds. Im not saying the draft is a bad thing. Im just its for everybody, but in top its not really worth it . Some managers get mad and quit because of finances.

As stated, the only reason to not invest heavily in the draft is because everyone else knows how to scout. So why would you invest in it heavily if you know you aren't getting top picks.

No one NEEDs the draft per se. Everyone can just draft randomly and whoever is lucky that season gets a good trainee. The rest have to buy from the market. But people use the draft (mainly the lower seeded teams) because they'd rather spend a couple hundred thousand on scouting and have a good chance at getting their top picks, than to buy a good trainee for potentially more.

Lastly you are stating you wouldn't draft if you were low on funds. Well, going by that logic, I wouldn't be buying more players (trainees or not) if I was low on funds. If managers have bad finances then they aren't playing correctly and they should use the help forum or read the FAQ. It's really quite easy to maintain substantial positive income. Although I do admit that when making a push to the next league your income dips a bit

My whole thing is top league don't get good player as often as the bottom league in draft. Which is kinda discouraging when you don't have the funds or really need to do it.. It does seem about right because you should how to run a team at the top and highest level without the draft, but same time its not there when you actually need it to be and players aren't worth dam when you do it . Its kinda of confusing to me.. I actually feel sorry for top manager because they get mad and quit,.. Its not fair to the game but if they could see the player personality style of play(ie a rebounder ) then maybe some would stick around to stick around.. A lot of manager don't come to forums to share success. Maybe private forums,

But If I ran out of cash in top league its not end of the world , but out if ran out in lower league then. Id close my team,



Last edited by Mr. Glass at 7/20/2013 10:16:18 PM

Seriously, do you just run into a wall all day, head first? Not one thing you said makes sense. At all.

My whole thing is top league don't get good player as often as the bottom league in draft.

Leagues get random players and random potentials. See, when there are only 16 teams in a top league, but then 64 teams in divII and 256 teams in divIII... of course there are going to be more total high potential draftees in divII and divIII. Do you follow so far?

Which is kinda discouraging when you don't have the fund or really need to do it.. It does seem about right because you should how to run a team at the top and highest level without the draft, but same it not there when you actually need it and players aren't worth dam when do it .

You lost me somewhere near "or really need to do it.."

Its kinda of confusing to me.. I actually feel sorry for top manager because they get mad and quit,.. Its not fair to the game ut if they see the player personality style of play(ie a rebounder ) then maybe some would stick around to stick..

Players leaving has nothing to do with getting mad and quitting because they can't see the player personality style of play.

A lot of manager don't come to forums to share success. Maybe private forums,

False. There are a lot of good managers giving great advice on the forums. Many seasons ago I didn't know shit about this game. Now I do, large part due to forum posts and reading the game manual 5204 times.

But If I ran out of cash in top league its not end of the world , but out if ran out in lower league then. Id close my team,

That would be a damn shame.

Last edited by Kumiko (CAN U21) at 7/20/2013 12:46:18 PM