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Questions and answers related to this topic by Marin in the last ask a BB:
F: Did you change shooting %s. IF not, are you still considering it. IF yes, are you going to be testing any said changes soon in PL/scrimmages etc....

F: I've made some minor adjustments which may or may not have affected some shooting percentages (threes in this case). We are still trying to determine if and how much these changes affected the percentages. We did it to all match types and will continue to do so, altering things little by little.

I refuse to comment on allegations made based on one match. As a statistician, you should why.

Is this going to be reversed if it becomes evident that the effect is larger than expected? And what would constitute too large? 10%, 15%, 20%? Looking at my league statistics from my 2 leagues it looks like around 10%, maybe more, increase in 3pt FG%, but of course we need more data.

You know that I cannot disclose everything, especially not such specific things as percentages. I'll give you a hint though, it's much less.
Looking at only 2 leagues cannot give you a good picture. Looking at just one player, even less so.

1. What - if any - changes are you planning on making to increase the effectiveness of a 3pt shot? When could we expect such changes?

2. What besides having a good amount of JS and JR on a player can you do to increase his percentage?

3. Will having two or three good shooters help increase their respective individual 3pt%?

1. We are working on slowly increasing it, and it's a very long term thing. I cannot disclose much more at this point, sorry.
2. and 3. Can't/won't say. Figure it out! [ :P]

1) I'd also like to know what kind of minor adjustment have been made (in short - scaling OD down or upping JR) if you'd be willing to comment on that; also in relation to outside shooting, this time taking open shots and flow into account, is it true that open shots thus far have been "guarded" in such a way that team rating in OD has been applied to them? If so, I don't think this makes much sense. Would you consider slashing that effect in half (since it completely defeats the purpose of having good flow and getting open looks, which by their very nature are not contested) if you didn't do that already (and of course if you want to explicitly comment on what I said re open outside shots)?

1) It's hard for me to get into such specifics without revealing too much, as much of this game depends on users figuring things out for themselves. This applies to game engine changes too. Sorry.

#1 PLEASE don't make it only about JS. This will killl the team play of the game. PA and HA have to be a factor. Easier said than done I know. I don't have enough data, but what I am seeing so far, HA/PA/JR seem to mean a lot less, as does OD...and it seems like JS is all you need. I hate that idea. Jumpshooters are crap without a team to back them, and like Memphis beating GS in game two, good defence will foil the best shooters in the world. (well at least for 1 game...who knows how the rest of the series will pan out!!!)

I assure you, it's not only JS that you need. I cannot disclose details especially since I would really need to check the code again to remind me of how it exactly works but I am certain of that, it's not enough to have just JS! Also, thanks for the Memphis - GS spoiler, I was planning to watch a replay of it now... Just kidding! But don't tell me any other results though [ :)]

Yeah I suggest we wait a bit longer and gather data, although it will be extremely hard to pinpoint whether the change which Marin alluded to is a GE change or a skill change (the difference being that a GE change will affect every player across the board and is not necessarily impacted by "primary" skills).

I will go back and track 4-5 players with very high JR and see if there is any noticeable difference there.

Honestly I think it's either a change into guarded shots/flow or a very small boost in JR, but I could be completely wrong. Whether they changed a skill or the GE is kind of important, because if the GE has been changed, it's possible that multiple skills could affect 3pt FG% indirectly (most notably handling and passing through flow).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/7/2015 12:21:14 PM

IN case you missed it, Marin admitted it, they have infact tweakd the GE in regards to shooting this season.

So perhaps people can use this thread as a place to discuss what they are seeing and what they think has changed/how it impacts play going forward for all of us...?

He said a lot more than I expected about shooting. He admitted the change but at the same time said it is a small tweak, a lot less than 10% ¿3-4-5%?
I still don't know what game you where referring to the other day and it doesn't really matter. I only answer in this thread because I started to see less experienced managers getting carried away because of one game and jumping into conclusions that are possibly wrong and have an easier explanation in GS and entusiasm at the start of the season.
Anyway, all changes to the GE are really important so... ¿should I build my team like the Warriors or like the Grizzlies? I know, the answer is the Spurs (NBA championships: 2014, 2007, 2005, 2003, 1999).

Well the Warriors have the best defense in the NBA and quite possibly the best offense (they closed second), so I don't understand the dichotomy!!! The Grizzlies also play at snail pace while the Warriors push it at times, but it doesn't change the fact that they are the best defense and they have the best individual defender in the league in 2014-15 in Draymond Green. The guy guarded Marc Gasol with some sucess in the last game...

Can you play push the ball for use to let us see the rating.. That would be a good ideal tactic to say if a jr or pa has been increased or decreased. Thanks in advance

Well the Warriors have the best defense in the NBA and quite possibly the best offense (they closed second), so I don't understand the dichotomy!!! The Grizzlies also play at snail pace while the Warriors push it at times, but it doesn't change the fact that they are the best defense and they have the best individual defender in the league in 2014-15 in Draymond Green. The guy guarded Marc Gasol with some sucess in the last game...

I know the facts. On paper, this Nba championship should be for the Warriors. I was talking about Memphis been a defense first team (grit and grind house) and the Warriors a great shooting team (Curry-Klay). In the first game of the series Warriors offense prevail scoring 101 points while in the second game they only manage 90 points. And thats the difference between winning or losing against Memphis.

Hey look I'm a Pistons fan, so I support Memphis of course! I think Memphis will have a problem if Golden State can get some margin early in the next few games, while they do have a chance (with Conley) if they are ahead and can control the game. I also doubt that Curry and Thompson will shoot in the 20s again from 3: the NBA is not BuzzerBeater!!!!

yesterday you told me

I refuse to comment on allegations made based on one match. As a statistician, you should why.

Missing completely the "i ask an official position, nothing else" told by me and concentrating about the "data". And with this sentence i can also told you that was disrespect, but i think you misunderstood my words (i had bad english skill) and i don't told nothing personally.

Now i read i'm not respectful because i spread "false information".
Before told that, do you think about what you wrote in the BB-ask 3d?

when i speak, if i want to talk about "gray", i use the word "gray". If i use the word "a bit of white and a bit of black", someone can't understand right. And he can "spread false information".

This is how i reasoned:

You told us, yesterday

I've made some minor adjustments which may or may not have affected some shooting percentages (threes in this case). We are still trying to determine if and how much these changes affected the percentages. We did it to all match types and will continue to do so, altering things little by little.

i don't read you did it once per season, but i read you "will continue". So i understand things can change "every time"

after that, you answered to another question

Big changes have always been announced, and that remains true. Small tweaks haven't.

So i discover not every change is announced (after 25 season of playing)

I linked these 2 info and i wrote that sentence you accuse to be "false, uncertain and generating panic".

yep, i added something about your info, but now i'm charged of being an "infector". Before this personal Judgement, do you think you lack in communication skill, or that someone misunderstood your sentences?

Because now, due of your role ingame, you're on "the right side", you represent the "truth", and now i'm a poor user who's complaining, just for this "judgement" you apply, when, probably, there are some misunderstandings which based every sentence i and you wrote.

So, yes, you can ask respect, but... the same treatment i ask by you.

Can you play push the ball for use to let us see the rating.. That would be a good ideal tactic to say if a jr or pa has been increased or decreased. Thanks in advance

i misunderstand too much, i'm very sorry about it but don't think i will help in study about this new (or old) implementation.

The only person who referred to enthusiasm being the cause for an explanation to one game was only me, so I guess that makes me the "inexperienced manager " manager you were talking about. And you didn't even bother to check what game it was -- nt scrimmage by teams that haven't got the enthusiasm reset; and obviously they have been scouting players so I'm pretty sure you know what that will do to an nt enthusiasm.

As for being inexperienced, I treat Josef kas coach parrot like a Bible and able to quote the weightings(every experienced manager will know what I'm talking about)since then and have done my own work to compensate for changes that's been made over the seasons. have been utilizing bb game analyzer since I've started, for example to deduce secondary skills of centers of the next opponent, which was invaluable for my nt coaching stints. I look at type of shots, their defenders, how good are they with making passes that led to better looks etc and find common ground by adding different defenders from different games which always end up turning into complex trees of analyses. I've took to task to build my whole country's nt about 10 seasons ago when weonly have 4 players over 100k salary made up of All stars and superstars (only 5 had MVP or higher) and today it's mostly MVP and hofs, plenty with 120 tsp up even for big mens, as I've helped chartered their training plans with training sims...

And this is just a tiny bit of my activities in bb...

And I'm still inexperienced and say simple things to explain a game.

I tried to explain why I made my previous comment and obviously I didn't check the right games or who was writting what. Now we all know how knowledgeable you are about the game, so I don't understand why you are taking it personal when it's clear you are not the kind of manager I worry about.