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This year he started playing late La Liga, he was injured for several weeks from the Euro.
I don´t know why do you take out penalties. It´s possible that as Cristiano has better % than Messi you have to equilibrate it.
I repeat, Messi is a great player but Cristiano is even better. I don´t need to underestimate Messi as Cris haters do.
But if you compare both player records in Champions League, after groups phase, there is no comparision.

Aaah the injuries! Look, if you get Morata to take those penalties he will look much better than Ronaldo. He'd have 18 goals on 21 games which would in fact place him second behind Messi for goals/game.

Without penalties:
Messi has now scored 29 goals and 40 goals+assist in 30 games. 0.967 average per game
Suarez is just behind 24 goals and 38 goals+ assist in 32 games. 0.774 average
Ronaldo 13 goals and 19 goals+assists in 25 games. 0.520 average
Morata!!!! 12 goals and 15 goals+assists in 21 game. 0.571 average
Data: transfermarkt.com

Conclusion:
Morata is a more efficient striker than Ronaldo. He's also 24 while Ronaldo is 32.
Also both Messi and Suarez are substantially better forwards than Ronaldo this season.

I´d like him to play for Spain and i´m sure he´d led England to get a tittle.

You'd love Iniesta and the rest of the Barcelona players to carry him to championships? I see, but he doesn't need that, his Portuguese teammates were good enough to win the final in the Euros without him.

England would not win anything with Ronaldo all the same.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/26/2017 7:46:36 PM

Good luck with this one lol :D

Anyone can take meaningless lines from Wikipedia without even bothering to read what he's copying and pasting.

However even there, you can see that the list of accomplishments and awards for Messi are substantially more than Ronaldo.

Messi or Ronaldo??
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ISCO 😍

Yes, if they start Morata, Isco and Asensio, instead of Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema maybe they don't lose the last game.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/26/2017 8:02:27 PM

Hahaha
Was the same question ten years ago with Robinho and others before. Is better Robinho or Messi? is better ? or Messi
Allways Messi. Not discursion.

F group, last game vs Hungary. He scored 2 goals to tie the match and qualify Portugal.
1/2 Final, he opened the score vs. Welsh winning the eliminatory.

Re-read the names dude. Freaking Hungary and Wales. WALES!!!

It's like hailing LeBron James for leading the troops in the sweep against the Pistons last season. Really? Hungary and Wales...

So what is wrong with Hungary and Wales? They did same or better than England, so they were atleast equally strong team as England. Dude, England got eliminated by Iceland! But I bet you still laugh when you hear that people play football in Iceland too.

We can also say that Argentina has strongest team on paper in South America... I mean Brazil was never so weak like now. Yet Messi&Co didnt win anything.

Like I said, I prefer Messi, but you trying to make Ronaldo achievements count less is pathetic.

And about ballon d'or discussion. Messi got lucky in 2010... They changed rules that year and he won instead Sneijder (who was by far best player in 2010 by my opinion). https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-brooks-peck/sneijder... Actually Messi would finish 4th that year. Great job FIFA.

EDIT: One more thing... Stop comparing football and basketball... In basketball one player like Lebron can carry team to victory. Yet in football you need entire team to win. Only reason why Messi/CR didnt win more championships with their countries - they have weak links in their national teams and unlike in basketball... One player cant do everything.
Another advantage in Messi career... He played with Xavi and Iniesta (two players that carried Spain national team for six years), two top midfielders that dont score goals, but rather assist.

Well atleast one thing you are right. Messi will go in history as greatest player ever.

Last edited by nebi at 4/27/2017 5:24:03 AM

When Barca system is not applied he has been far away from the player we are used to see, even during the NT runs. Curious to see him under Sampaoli, tactic freak/genius, on the NT.

He has more goals than Maradona and Batistuta for Argentina, 2 guys you should know very well and his scoring average for Argentina is about the same as Ronaldo's for Portugal, except playing much farther from the goal.

Denying the impact of Cristiano on the NT is even more pathetic. He has lead a team less talented than their best generation one (Fico, Rui Costa, Couto, Simao etc) to same or better results, being decisive in almost all the stages.

Greece won a European title...Portugal without Ronaldo won the final. Most teams can win a single game and you'd expect a top tier team like Portugal to beat teams like Iceland or Austria or Hungary. It's a bit like expecting England to go nowhere.

What y'all forget is that WITH Ronaldo, Portugal nearly went out in the group stage and qualified due to repechage as third (an aberration) after failing to finish in the first two places in the easiest group of the tournament, which featured football superpowers such as:
- Iceland (had 0 wins in the history of the Euro championship)
- Austria (had 0 wins in the history of the Euro championship)
- Hungary (had 1 win in the history of the competition)

The only game they played against a top team they didn't have Ronaldo and they won. It's that simple.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 4/27/2017 8:45:25 AM

History? Really? Do you even think before you write stuff?
Spain had 0 titles before 2008... So they were probably shit before that. And shame on every team that lost vs them.
Croatia has 0 titles. So they must still be shit. Doesnt matter they have Rakitic, Modric, Kovacic, Mandzukic,...

England has titles... Yet, they are one NT that keep disappointing. Shame on them they keep losing...

Lets say titles matter as you say... But I bet you will also say... Real Madrid won 5 times when it didnt matter. Hypocrite? Dont twist reality as it suits you.

When match starts, past doesnt matter. Every generation is writing new history. You dont see Barca players afraid when they play vs Real Madrid just because Real had best team in 60's.

EDIT: Also, I cant believe you keep underestimating teams that went further than England on Euro 2016. As like every small country is shit. Like size matters? Too bad China doesnt have n1 NT on world.

Last edited by nebi at 4/27/2017 9:14:32 AM