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okay... i think i may have misread your initial complaint.. and/or i was reacting to like i said a generic form of argument more than the one you were making.. i apologize if that was the case.

Let me point out that

But certainly, we will begin to see a drop on the number of NT players coming from lower than 3rd division teams. Which consequently will lower, even more, the competition level among National Teams.

isn't completely true... i mean... what do you mean by "competition level"? you mean the absolute skill level of the national teams? or something about the balance between skills levels across different countries.

I think that I agree with you that this sort of system is going to have the best trainers with the best teams... though I will also say that it should be the case that the top divisions should be focused more on winning than on training and thus should not be able to invest as much in training as others might. How those two effects balance could arguable create a situation where the highest caliber players are trained on the highest division teams. I think the question is whether that is good for the game or poor for the game. It is another way in which things are better for teams at the top than teams at the bottom.. and so in my mind this gets back to the generic argument i was speaking about before.. is it best to have equality across all divisions or to make there be advantages to being in higher divisions. It is my view that in order for this game to be fun, you need to have strong incentives to advance, and thus there must be good things about being in the higher divisions.... Now probably there is some balance to be reached... I would love to be more quantitative about what the parameters are to make that balance... how we would know if the advantages are too great or too small... etc etc.

I haven't seen any information other then training efficiency due to trainer level being non-linear. If I remember correctly, GM-JuicePats stated somewhere that the difference between a lvl 1 trainer and a level 2 trainer is much bigger then between a lvl 4 and lvl 5, and it would most likely break down something like this:

lvl 1: 50%
lvl 2: 75%
lvl 3: 87%
lvl 4: 94%
lvl 5: 100%
lvl 6: 104%
lvl 7: 106%

These numbers are fictional, as BB's don't give exact numbers on these subjects.


Last edited by Thijs at 1/6/2009 3:35:54 PM

it should be possible to sell trainers ;)

I've been thinking about it and makes sense. I thought that it could create a consolidation of the top teams but then I remembered that the winning championship team doesn't get any bonus but the promoted one does. Plus, taking importance on the National Cup winnings was also a good initiative. And the worst possible scenario on this situation, is that the first league teams will form a rigid core that basically 6 of them will always be there (as they have the best players and coaches). But that situation has a simple solution and I'm sure y'all will be alert for that situation. After all, that's why I became a BB supporter.

Last edited by the L train at 1/6/2009 3:53:58 PM

I think more like...

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but I'm guessing ;-)

ok... i dont understand why people want it ALL in these kind off games.

there are level 1-7 coaches, doctors and pr guys. See it in proportion. In a country where there are 7 leagues, teams in league 1 should have and be able to afford level 7 coaches, in league 2 should have and be able to afford level 6 coaches etc etc I am sure you understand what I am trying to get at. Off course there could be some overlap, but a division 3 or 4 team shouldnt be able to afford a level 6 or 7 coach!!!

It would be very unrealistic for Accrington Stanley to be able to afford Mourinho as coach/manager. Or in basketball terms, a team in the 4th division in Holland can't afford a NBA coach. Why should it be different in this game?? Why should a lower level team have the cream de la cream off players in the lower division??

ok... i dont understand why people want it ALL in these kind off games.

I play in Italy division II. When i play an home game my weekly net income is about 10k (that means my season balance is negative). At the moment it is very hard for me to replace my current level 5 trainer (salary 28k) with a cheaper one.

I don't want the old staff system back, but the recent changes altogether (economy, staff, potential) have made the economic management much more difficult and more relevant in the game.

I am not saying you are wrong or I totally disagree, or trying to fix what I am saying, but in general there always is an exception to the rule. To be honest, the Italian league is a league on its own. What I mean by this is that the italian leagues are WAY TOO STRONG!!! compared to the rest off the world. Maybe a few others countries are like this too, but not as extreme as the italian league.

Ok you might say what does he mean, i will try and explain. I have played a few PL's and some italian teams I played against were from the division IV and V. I am playing in division II in England and I am one off the better teams. I got absolutely hammered by these Italian IV and V teams and I did play my best players. This means that in order to be competitive in the Italian league you need to buy good players with high salaries. That is rotten for Italian players, but not a general problem for most leagues. (i might be wrong with this, I am sure you can understand I didn't check all the leagues one by one)

I might be totally wrong and will get people annoyed by saying this, but I think the new staff system was more or less implemented by the idea or something similar as I explained in the post you replied too, and it works well for 95% off the leagues. Does this mean the implementation is wrong? No I doubt it is, but it will suck for the other 5% and I think the Italian teams fall in that bracket... You aren't doing well in your league. I don't know why, didn't have a close look, but the problem you are talking about, I believe is a problem many Italian coaches will have. They will mostly have to cut their costs and in the long term the new staff system will also work for the inflated Italian leagues... (I wouldnt wonder when the USA, Spain, Germany and a few other countries have similar issues)

t(I wouldnt wonder when the USA, Spain, Germany and a few other countries have similar issues)

with the right arenas you could still earn a lot of money ... In germany most first division teams make around 100k each week, the team with 320k salary even more ;) Div II with big arena also make big money.

@topic: what happens with the guys who spend 2 million or more for a level 7 trainer, when we roll back the system?

what happens with the guys who spend 2 million or more for a level 7 trainer, when we roll back the system?

yup... very good point that is...