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e.g. I just won the Australian Tournament against probably a much better team than I have and it is because I played TIE whenever I could up until this point. And I will very likely be in the playoffs with a very decent chance of getting to the final.

So you can say as much as you want that the system does not work but I am prove that it does. My team was reset this season (I moved countries) and I started with a fresh team so I am winning against teams who won with strong teams coming up from second division.

I think this just further proves my point, higher enthusiasm is pretty much the number one deciding factor in games. I just think the system shouldn't be set so that the person who has the higher enthusaism is such a heavy favorite in any game. But this is just my opinion.

Also I don't think there is much strategy to it the way it is set up now. With so many new and BOT teams all you have to do is TIE every league game. Maybe you lose a couple you should have won, but it doesn't matter because you'll make the play-offs anyway. There is really no risk to TIE a league game so it's basically benefit for nothing for teams trying to win either their league or the cup.

Edited by jprochnow (12/13/2007 4:56:07 PM CET)

Last edited by JayP at 12/13/2007 4:56:07 PM

I thought I qualified it by saying with new and bot teams, I meant in lower divisions where there aren't as many active users. I guess I should try to be clearer.

I've TIEd most of my games this season, I think I've only normalled three times. I took a loss early on in the season pretty much on purpose to build my enthusiasm, which let me TIE more games, and more games, and so on, until I was able to hold 10 enthusiasm for several weeks. The result = I've only lost three times (one in the cup) and just got knocked out in the round of 64.

This, especially the bolded part, seems to be the crux of the argument. In real life, how often do teams "take losses"? Yet, I bet most of us do it cause it helps in the long run. Using TIE/CT to benefit yourself doesn't mean that it's realistic or makes the game better.

I assume I'm on the more extreme end against CT/TIE. I'm sure in real life coaches give rousing speeches to motivate their teams, so in some sense I can see this. But, I can't ever see a coach say, "just don't try very hard, I don't care if we win this". In cases were the games don't mean as much, you could just play backups and work on getting trainee's minutes.

edit - Just to clarify, I'm very happy to see the BB's are addressing the issue with the upcoming adjustment and hoping that it makes a big dent in the current exaggerated focus on enthusiasm.

Edited by brianjames (12/13/2007 7:07:26 PM CET)

Last edited by brian at 12/13/2007 7:07:26 PM

Finally someone has said where i was going with my point. I didnt want this thread to be about the in game element, rather the effect on your team for the next game. This thread was not about complaining and want to stick to the topic. I shouldn't have to mod my own thread here GM's. Thanks for the input as now I know how it's being abused.

Again, the changes seem to make the tactic more viable instead of a deterrent.

If in my league I went 2-11, but made the touney finals then I would call my season a success because I still made money and will now get some top flight talent in the draft.

Usung TIE all season is not a strategy period. I am sure that was not the intended use but someone has to abuse it. Call it what you want but you guys who are pounding your chest as victors because you were able to have a success story doesn't make the tactic right.

Isn't it fitting on the day baseball hears from George Mitchell, we hear about TGH (Tactical Growth Hormone) in Buzzerbeater..... Get your popcorn ready

I just won the English Tournament. In the semi I played CT and won. Others have said now I had enthusiasm 2 I will loose the final as can't play CT again. 1st off why couldn't I? I did and I won. 2nd my oponent in the final probably didn't play normal in the semis and then CT in the final, why wouldn't he have played CT too in the semi? I see the point about TIE all season so you start the semis on say 9 not 5, and sure I now plan to do that anyway to get enthusiasm back up for the playoffs, but what's the big deal? Surely the style of CT/TIE was more important than the enthusiasm going into the game?

I'll throw my weight (growing considerably through the holidays) to drop Enthusiasm. It's something taken from Hattrick that is not necessary here in Buzzerbeater.

Just get rid of it.

Thanks for your input. It honestly isn't

I think there is some realism in the system. In the NBA, we see it when a team would just take it easy in the regular season, try to make the playoffs and crank it up at the postseason (ie San Antonio).

What is not realistic however is going TIE for a few games and for the next month your Normal is at an 8 or 9. If the season is a marathon, starting slow does not mean that when you go to your normal pace, it will be quicker. What it means is that you got that reserve energy to make a sprint at some point.

If I get $5 a day and I only spend $2 for 2 weeks, that don't mean I have $8 to spend for the next 2 weeks and have $30 to blow at the end of it. I still have my $5/day but with an extra $30 when I need it.

What I am suggesting is that you can TIE all you want and let your Enthusiasm get as high as you want. But when you Normal, your enthusiasm for that game should be at most 5, not whatever level >5 it is at that point. Coz its just another game. I may be more rested but that don't mean I'm going to exert extra effort. If it is <5 however, it means, that the team is tired and can't really perform to their usual level so even if they noral, they won't get a 5.

Sorry for the long post, I wanted to explain it as clearly as I could and I don't even know if I did that.

If I am following this post correctly, thats the issue. It isn't the TIE/CT for a game, it's the attitude results.

I don't think the game needs it. It is a hold over from HT and adds more issues then it solves.