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I don't understand why people keep complaining about how much money Germany teams have. If they had all that money, surely they would win the B3 every year? And how many German teams do we have left in this year? None - both of them have already been knocked out. And we're only a few rounds in.

There's a massive difference between having lots of money and being able to use it properly. If they can't compete on a world stage, let them have their big stadiums while everyone else actually has a chance at global glory.

(or at least a chance at 2nd place - damn that BC Torooo!)

If you are going to worry about the differences as they stand today I think it is wiser to argue the position of new teams yet to join BB (as to grow the game needs to be attractive to them) NOT so much the teams that are already long term addicts.

Merging everyone would solve the problem for only a few, and cause hardship for most of the rest. You are talking about a much bigger pyramid here, and though I have a good chance to promote to USA III this year, your solution sends me careening to the bottom of the pyramid, while players who have been able to take advantage of the easier growth in a smaller country now propel past 1000's of users from places like Spain, Italy, Poland, USA, etc.

Changes need to be made often in these types of games where there is an imbalance or eventually the imbalance will keep the game from growing. If we saw that over time the imbalance between being a new user in Spain vs a new user in Scotland slowly leveled out, there would be no need for change, time would fix the problem. In this case, I think the gap caused by the imbalance is widening with time.

Any solution will anger some people, but that doesnt mean we should avoid a solution and keep the problem either. Perhaps if the bonus money for promoting to a higher division or winning your series were scaled from the bottom up instead of the top down it would be more fair and balanced. You should get more money for going from a Div II to Div I in Italy than you should for doing the same in Japan......no offense, but I think we can agree that it is a tougher acheivement.

I don't understand why people keep complaining about how much money Germany teams have. If they had all that money, surely they would win the B3 every year? And how many German teams do we have left in this year? None - both of them have already been knocked out. And we're only a few rounds in.

Because if everyone start in the same condition,there will win the best(and luckiest :D )managers in BB;nowadays there are users which have more advantages than others,and Germany is taken as example because Germanian teams are in the limit situation,they have both great competition and a decent way to make money;but if a team of a weaker country took the good example of stronger germanian teams,it have great advantages over a new italian,spanish and also germanian new user,which had to fight since the beginning of their adventures in BB,without looking only at building great arenas in the first period

Ok, this is a rant about several subjects mentioned in the whole thread. Just have to get it out. ..from the top of my head:

Basketball is not a great public sport in Norway. Hardly anyone have an interest in it, unfortunatly. Few have the insight to understand the game, and I think it would be hard to get users form Norway if we were to start in a global division system. Mostly one compare to the teams from the same country and BBB is in my eyes more a curiosity and fun sidegame than THE ONE thing to rank your team from. We DO have an advantage in that we can fairly easy get good players from other countries, but we have to if we were to get the edge. The few managers we do have spend a lot of time to learn the game, and in a matter of seasons the competitive level would be leveled to an international level. Still we have fewer divisions and have a shorter way up the ladder. But the difference on a Div II and new Div III team are huge. The motivation to climb one division every few seasons are not possible for us. I have changed my view on the tax on international players, and welcome it, since it is a little bit unfair that we can get a f.ex Italian superstar very cheap in comparison to what we have to pay for a national player of the same potential. But bear in mind that I would rather train a national player than someone from other countries. I don't know how many that care about their National Team, but many players from big countries get premium training in small countries, because we have the financial possibility for it. Economics were a drain for me for several seasons and I had to train to sell just to go even before I started putting some money in arena. This season I have cut down on my players, no scouting, cheap staff, only to save money if I ever go to the top division. Because of the big difference I have to change my whole team to have the remotest change to ever stay there. So, we do earn more, but we must also spend more, and have a harder time to set longtime strategies than a more stable country.

A long time strategy like "I started in Div II with a bunch of bots, and my goal is to win my series, get a HUGE chunk of change for winning series and promoting to the top series, all in my first year."?

Now in your second season you are able to sell tickets for top series prices, but you still have second season salaries.Sounds pretty sweet if you are in a country where there are only enough teams to fill out Div I or less.

A long time strategy like "I started in Div II with a bunch of bots, and my goal is to win my series, get a HUGE chunk of change for winning series and promoting to the top series, all in my first year."?

Now in your second season you are able to sell tickets for top series prices, but you still have second season salaries.Sounds pretty sweet if you are in a country where there are only enough teams to fill out Div I or less.

Yes, exactly! Finally someone who understands how hard it is to be handed everything on a gold platter...

I see why so few from small countries bother to come with their opinion on Global forum anymore. Flame away. I've got better things on my mind.

The thing is, I didn't know how things were when I registered my team. Only those that have had teams before or knew someone that already played the game could know, so I don't think we deserve to get blasted with rude remarks or sarcasm only because we utter a word on a global thread. It would be like if I blamed you for chosing a big country. That it was your own fault. It's not right. I am for changes that even out the differences, but not limits anyones possibility to reach the top on (approx) even terms. Globalized Divisions would be one way, but it would totally ruin the communty that has been built over the seasons, so I don't think that's the way to go. Tax on foreign players is one way that may work. Smaller countries that have to go outside their own playerbase to find decent players then have to pay more, but since there are shorter way to the top division and slightly better income, it limits how much more we can earn and still be competitive. Try a game against Northern Dragons, Asker Assasins or Nøtterøy Funcadelics. The top division got game, even in small countries.

Perhaps if there were no countries it would be more fun? I don't think so. How are BB going to achieve world domination without beeing able to tick off a few more countries each season. They have to have some goals as well, don't they? I am sure the BB-team are rubbing their hands together with a smug smile and evil laugh every time they expand into new territory ;)

Now in your second season you are able to sell tickets for top series prices, but you still have second season salaries.Sounds pretty sweet if you are in a country where there are only enough teams to fill out Div I or less.

Not excactly my situation, but I see your point. Another thing to keep in mind about salaries is how you go about it. Some want to have players with extreme skills in the few relevant skills. I go for balanced players with only a little weight on the scale in the skills that are most relevant. This makes me weaker against teams that have extreme athletes in all the positions, but keeps my salaries down, gives a more even performance and makes me more flexible when it comes to tactics, injuries and incorporating new players into my team. But it makes it hard to use only salaries as a measure of how good overall players a team has.

Heathcoat: Sorry, the posts was not meant to be targeted at you, I forgot to change it "to everybody" Friends? ;)

Last edited by Svett Sleik (U21-Scout Norge) at 3/22/2009 3:19:37 PM

Dude, if that is your idea of a flame........wow.

Yes, the whole point of my post was that teams from very small countries (I dont think Norge qualifies as very small) can get good faster, and stay dominant, because the money for winning in a top series helps keep you in the top. In the same post (elsewhere) I heard a player from a very small country say first that it wouldnt be fair to balance the game to take dominance away from entrenched teams in small countries. And then several post later the same player said he was crying out for competition because no one in his country could give him a game. I was thinking at the time that he answered his own question. Does he want to keep the system in place where he will forever dominate his country, or does he want competition?

BTW, I did not get to choose my country when I signed up. You play in the country you are from. What you call a 'flame' is me pointing out that a change will help the vast majority, and perhaps get people in small countries to stick around because they have a chance. What percentage of the total player base actually play in B3? and yet many still use it as a basis for thier arguement. Something that like 2% of the population participate in should not even enter a discussion about what is best for the whole.

.....and of course....Friends :)

I'd be curious to learn how many teams were in spread thru the countries when I signed up (early season 3) and then how that digressed each season.

It's easy to assume that every good team from a small country mustve just got there by easier passage than others.... back when the userbase was small it had little to no relevance where you were from - the managerial decisions on arena/transfers/enthusiasm/training (which are now all well documented) were relatively unknown.

I know as I have grown/evolved with them that many top teams from smaller nations have carved their advantage out over their peers (and in turn global rivals) via decent decisions irrespective of the country they signed up into.

BUT I agree that the numbers have widened too far now.... it IS a different story to compare a new Japan L.2 sign-up with a Spanish L.5..... but back in season 3 it wasn't. Perhaps this just underlines some of our points....if the leagues were more evenly balanced (however you divide; country/region/mix) then the learning/growth curve would be equal for all.

In no way did I intend to imply that top teams such as yourself didnt earn your position in your league. I apologize if it seemed that way, but I assure you it wasnt even a thought on my mind.

BUT I agree that the numbers have widened too far now.... it IS a different story to compare a new Japan L.2 sign-up with a Spanish L.5..... but back in season 3 it wasn't. Perhaps this just underlines some of our points....if the leagues were more evenly balanced (however you divide; country/region/mix) then the learning/growth curve would be equal for all.

Agreed. There is a huge gap in what happens to a new team in a small country and a large one, especially after they both start doing well and winning. As I have said in previous posts that I am happy to be competing wherever I am on the pyramid, and will try and improve and play well always. Not trying to figure out ways to improve just my situation.

There seems to be an imbalance that is widening, that is my only point. I only hope it doesnt get to boring for users like you or new users in your country. I do think the global leagues is going to be a really tough sell, and if that is the only option this may be a dead issue.

I started early season 3. I consider myself to be at least an above average manager but i still dont have the resources to take that last step into the top Division. I'd guess i'm about a season (s worth of development) behind most of my rivals.

Of course there's an obvious gap in our teams. I feel it's a lot worse for those in small countries though. I'd imagine the fun would go out of the game a lot faster without any real targets to aim for once you've won everything. I'll have to keep playing for years to even possibly get up to NBBA, and then there'll be a lot more great teams too.