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And I find it really funny when I see people in the forums throwing out threats about not renewing their supporter because a change affected them in a bad way. A pretty childish move imo.

Hey Manon, that's still not as funny as tanking managers talking about how a difficult game is better! People who chose to run away from the challenge, avoid competing to cash in and train, are once again here schooling others about it. Can't you see the irony in this? I don't know if you can say it's childish, but it sure looks like hypocrisy.

I can understand that it may feel like your being robbed of something

I don't think you can understand. After all you have no NT/U21 player on any of your teams. The change skews the merchandise for top teams with NT players. Are you saying that it is right that fewer managers now get more merchandise from NT/U21 games?


Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/23/2015 3:42:35 AM

That wasn't against you. If you understand it that way, I'm sorry. It was more the fact that a victory with BLU for me isn't one. So using the BLU is not what the game is about. In addition since it is a bit more (with new BLU) it is more visible who is a good NT-coach and who not. (Now you can kill me )

And at least the last 5 season we (Germany) haven't used BLU for sure. Before i haven't followed that close.

If that's trolling then what is this?

And I find it really funny when I see people in the forums throwing out threats about not renewing their supporter because a change affected them in a bad way. A pretty childish move imo.

I'm telling you to not claim the higher moral ground, you have none.

i have trained three NT players and have been a NT-manager for six seasons.

It's too bad that the changes affect people who have NT/U21 players this season. You are not one of them, so even here claiming the higher moral ground for what you did in the past (which is irrelevant since you were not impacted by the change) isn't really working. And I'll save you the trouble to check: I do have a guy in the U21 team whom I trained from scratch.

All that will happen is that posts will be deleted.

So should half of your comment. We could save a lot of time for moderators, if you go and revise that post and I do the same. To me it's unacceptable that people (you) taunt and want to teach others lessons on game balance when they themselves are exploiting issues within the game. You clearly are for a more challenging game according to your statements above, but your actions tell us another story. Dismantling a team and tanking is not the same as trying not to relegate while training. One is not challenging the other is very challenging.

It was more the fact that a victory with BLU for me isn't one. So using the BLU is not what the game is about. In addition since it is a bit more (with new BLU) it is more visible who is a good NT-coach and who not.

Look, I think not a single person disagree with this. You can check my game logs and you will see I used blanks/LCD like 2-3 times (1st game in utopia and 1 game of the finals in D2) in like 250 games. I can't care less about blanks being removed. Managers in the B3 can't care less their ratings are gonna look slightly worse.

The reason people are upset is that NT merchandise is now more concentrated in the hands of fewer managers and there are less tools to manage minutes (which btw are completely unrealistic looking at any league in the world). The NT manager has a lot more responsibility (and power), snubbing players for the starting gig, might break top teams financially (since the merchandising boost is directly related to minutes and salary). Example: a guy with 4 NT players now gets much less merchandise because none of them starts and as backups play scrap minutes.

And at least the last 5 season we (Germany) haven't used BLU for sure. Before i haven't followed that close.

Then you will have to explain to me how 12 players can get minutes in a tight or losing game without fouling out. Like this one (30609). You guys might have found a solution to play 12 players if what you say is true. I acknowledge that in most of Germany's games you've played 10 players, so it might be you haven't used blanks that much (still the minute splits reflect that).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/23/2015 5:55:58 AM

Buzzerbeater's title says "GM Simulation " right?

Oh oh. Do you imagine is is a good simulation for the coach to say, "Aw, I don't care, you guys just go out there and play whatever position you want, and come in and out whenever you feel like it. I'm going to go back in the locker room and read a magazine." That is your precious BLU.

Umm..you don't get it. ..... that's what your doing by telling him what to do during every game. ... you or me set up the strategy. .... the coach initiates the tactics within your sstrategy. Everything you have mentioned i have addressed to you now. ...I cannot say the same for you so their is no point in responding to you anymore.

Last edited by BarryS at 2/23/2015 6:10:46 AM

Well im just posting as a normal user. Posting my own thoughts. There are no pointers as to how we are going to post just because we have a GM prefix before our alias. You can skip that small part of my post and focus on the other parts that make up a majority of my post instead. That you sadly didnt bother to reply on.

I have addressed my complaint and counter point . The part about actually somethingbeing done about it was mentioned.

My English brother has a far more technical grievance than i........ this change has screwed up his budget!

You continue to look him in the eye and say this is better.

Can you give me some numbers on how wide and big the effect of some players not playing as much is for the average team? Do we even know if it has lowered the income? Do less players play in NT-games now then before the change?
Speculating over money lost when we dont really know if and how much is being lost takes us nowhere.

I can't give you numbers. This is the direction this thread had taken (i.e. lopsided minute splits in NT games), but you surely know better than me that there is a direct effect on merchandise depending on both salary and minutes played with the NT in competitive games.

The people who can mostly comment about this with some numbers are the guys in the B3 with several NT players. Like someone has said, if there is an impact on remuneration for managers who train and maintain NT players, the removal of the sub pattern connected to blanks effectively reduces the value of raising and having NT players. Can we all agree on this? Since the merchandise boost is modelled in the code and the BBs are aware of how much a 10 minute swing means in terms of % of salary of the player do we really have a need to extrapolate this number from the economics? Pointing at the problem and asking to rebalance the merchandise so that it's similar to what it was before the change seems logical. Either that or provide the same substitution pattern in another form or shape (or new substitution patterns altogether).

Do less players play in NT-games now then before the change?

Yes, I can gather the data later on this on the top 10 NT teams. From 12 to 10 players it is 2/12=16% fewer players receiving a merchandise bonus.

Do we even know if it has lowered the income?

The problem is not that there is less income gained, but that it is more concentrated in the hands of managers who have starters playing 40+ minutes. Some people are clearly benefiting from this. Again, I haven't raised this point, I'm arguing against those who are trying to dismiss it. Especially because if the problem was the blank line up, the BBs could have kept the sub pattern linked to it and made it available in another form.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/23/2015 6:32:34 AM

To your first point: you are may be right with less players. But the NT-coach is not responsible for financial behaviour of managers and just nominating player that clubs can survive is BS. May be there was something wrong before with the clubs. You can't build on merchandise money if you manage your club serious.

Point 2: Maybe you picked the wrong game. Germany vs. Italy have just 11 players played. And game wasn't close at all . We won by 40 points and at one piunt your coach will bring the bench player. In this game was for sure no BLU