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A well-trained PG with star potential would look something like this when his training finished: (I'm sure you'll disagree)

10/8/14/12/12/10 6/6/6/4

While a SG would look something like: (again, I'm sure you'll disagree)

11/9/14/12/12/8 7/7/6/4

This type of player will easily sell on the TL. Not for the millions you seem to be talking about, but he's valuable nonetheless. On top of this, his salary will be manageable in lower divisions and he can play well in most any offense.

On top of this, a team full of veterans is static, while a team being properly trained will vastly improve through the course of a season. The 420k cost is easily covered through increases in attendance and future sale of trained players.

Daytrading is time-intensive and has a diminishing rate of return. The easiest and most effective path to success is to follow hrudey's template.


Last edited by Arthur Monay at 9/21/2011 8:58:14 PM

Please link the team you've been mentoring, either in BB-mail or on here. I'd be interested to see....

Also, I removed my earlier inflammatory comment. Please forgive me. ;)

I got a buddy in US who signed up 2 seasons ago, promote, promote...no problem. He is smart htough and can take advice.....He buys players for like 1k and sells them for 20k or so. Simple strategy and it works.

This team?
(30254)

Um, he's been here over a year. The other teams you keep knocking have only started this year. He has nearly 1 and a half seasons on me. It took him 3 seasons to promote. Well this is my 3rd season, and it looks good, but I don't want to jinx myself. Not only that, but that league has looked like its been filled over half with bots.

Revisionist history aside. That's not much different then what I'm doing. For him starting 4 months earlier then me, I'd say my arena is just as nice, no?

i drafted this guy last year and havent trained any inside skills and he was basically good in everything except passing..... aside from his potential (main reason im doing 2pos training) he was good prospect


Benjamin Paton (19314876) Shooting Guard

Weekly salary: $ 5 632
Role: regular starter
(BuzzerBeta)

DMI: 42400
Age: 19
Height: 6'6" / 198 cm
Potential: star
Game Shape: strong
Jump Shot: strong Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: proficient Handling: average
Driving: average Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: atrocious
Stamina: strong Free Throw: inept ↑

Experience: pitiful

Yes thats true and thats the reason im two position training, so i can train my other players at the same time cause this guy can still cap with 2 position training by the time hes like 21-22

why dont you train brzezanski? he prolly has really good starting skills

This is easily the worst advice I have ever seen in almost 10 seasons of Buzzerbeater.


Train 1 on 1 dude. Get a level 4 trainer..and have fun.

Let's do the math,
5X25k=125k
few seasons.... (lets say 3)
lets say you pay 10k a week for that trainer (generous, you prolly still pay around 15k all told)
10kX14X3= 420k

You can quantify the cost of losing more games, because 5 30+ yearold players bought for 25k have waaay more skills plus experience, you can also STILL TRAIN their FT and ST for free which comes with pops now and trains ALL your players, not to mention you can train GS which will allow you to keep a smaller roster and perform better at eveyr position, not just improve 5 players.
I'll be generous and not make you pay for lowered performance in this caluclation.

That is awful generous of you. I am curious how many fewer losses you think I would be capable of having with your strategy; if it turns out I could be 19 - (-4) right now, for example, I'll kick myself for being such a fool.

Now lets look at pops. With OD, level 4 trainer, not ideal height, guys that have holes to begin with, maybe not ideal height, two position (c'mjon you are claiming you can get this guys for 25k each).....
You are gonna get about 2~3 OD pops a season if you devote to OD training ONLY. Lets say you start at about 10 OD pops each. Oh wait, STAR potential???? Well they could have 16 OD and NOTHING else. hansome roleplayers that a top team might throw on his bench for emergencies/to fill out uncritical games against tanking opponents.

The 25k is more of an average. If you prefer, you could spend less initially, and then upgrade -- I had a guy I bought for 1k, trained for a season (and was a quite useful player in V), sold for 75k. Another was a FA buy in single digits and after about 2 months sold for just under 150k. But I also have a guy that I bought at 10k who is still on my club and plays regularly.

But, yeah, I imagine I've done a lot more shopping for star potential 18 yo guards in my time than you have. The really good ones of course will have a higher purchase point, but if you're willing to take on an inept here or there, it's quite reasonable, especially when you're more concerned with height and with getting good skills rather than the ultra-top-end ones.

Perhaps with the new rules though the amount of value you can get out of training stars will increase a bit, maybe they'll be worth a bit more than 10X salary, maybe. Consider if you trained 3 seasons you paid the salary 36 times...so I hope he contributed what his salary cost compared to a cheap 30y/o with experience. In that case training and daytrading, together, whilst building the arena and finding a way to promote is tops approach.

If you replace trainees with old players, you still have to pay the salary. And if you get higher skilled ones, as you seemed to advocate, you're just paying higher salaries each week. Oh, sure, maybe you then go with a few less players and save some of the difference there, but that's fraught with it's own troubles. Heck, just the difference in merchandise between my team and the league average just about covers the cost of the two most expensive trainees right now -- you can't say that when you're turning over players left and right, certainly.

The long and short of it (more long, obviously!) is that it is quite possible to build a team that focuses on training, even two position training, and that is successful and quite profitable at the lower levels of the USA. Perhaps higher up that strategy wouldn't work (and I'm already switching to one position now for the first time in my BB career), but in V and IV, in my experience, it's quite adequate indeed.