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216987.31 in reply to 216987.30
Date: 5/18/2012 9:32:56 AM
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Hi Daniel.

Who would you vote for.

An enthusiastic manager who has already helped out with the U21s for a couple of seasons?

A vastly experienced NT manager at U21 level?

Someone with no experience at all in the U21 set up?

Would you not be prepared to help out behind the scenes for a couple of seasons before standing for election?

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216987.32 in reply to 216987.31
Date: 5/18/2012 9:39:49 AM
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That is a good point , i would take their experience into account of course , but i would like to see how active , knowledgable and enthusiastic they are as well on the forums. If these were equal i would obviously be voting for the Nt manager with experience. Yes , no matter the result of the election , the team is more important than any individual so i will help out behind the scenes with scouting and any other things required for the team.

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216987.33 in reply to 216987.32
Date: 5/18/2012 12:49:24 PM
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Good question HOF i was going to ask something similar and will extend it to the other two candidates.

If either/both of you do not succeed in becoming u21 coach this season, would you be prepared to be involved with the U21 set up in another way this season?

If so, what would you like to do to help?

I know that my vote would tend to go with managers who have a track record of helping behind the scenes as it shows a level of interest and commitment that we would expect from a manager. However i always consider experience and personality as much as i can too as these are also very important.

To DanielPaton i think we have been in touch before, but i must admit i am a bit behind with BB related stuff and i can only see so many messages in my BBmail history. Did i get in touch with you regarding a draftee of yours, or regarding helping us track youngsters? i think you maybe drafted a high potential or bought such a player...

Finally if our hollandaise friend does not become u21 manager i think he would earn a lot of respect from our community if he did show exceptional commitment by helping us out in other ways (even though he clearly has a lot of NT experience already and might see it as a bit of a "backwards" step!)


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216987.34 in reply to 216987.20
Date: 5/18/2012 1:02:13 PM
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Hi Kalebam
Id also be interested in hearing why you think your own community is not as active as training as ours?
In your time with their U21 did you recognise any things that you or your colleagues did well or not so well that is useful experience to bring to our own U21 team?

... and do you also know that if you become U21 manager you could never leave - we would have to kill you for fear you would run away back to holland with all our amazing training secrets! Oh and same goes for SREZ and his emminence ;)

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216987.35 in reply to 216987.33
Date: 5/18/2012 1:06:54 PM
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Yes , John-Godfrey Brown who played the part of role player last season for the u21 last season was drafted by myself , i choose to sell him though as i could not fit his training into my plans or afford a high level trainer for him at that point. Im glad to see him do well.

From: SREZ

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216987.37 in reply to 216987.33
Date: 5/18/2012 2:49:46 PM
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Once again good questions fluff ;)

If either/both of you do not succeed in becoming u21 coach this season, would you be prepared to be involved with the U21 set up in another way this season?

I no longer help out with the USA NT, because I really wanted to put all my time and effort into scouting/advising one team. So basically, if I do not win this election I will be more than willing to help out the manager. I think a lot of people do not realize there is still a lot of things you can do to help out a national team even if you are not the coach.

If so, what would you like to do to help?

If so, I would most likely probably just want to continue what I have been doing these past two seasons which is scouting players and contributing to tactical conversations. I understand scouting can become frustrating when no one seems to answer your messages, but once someone does and you are able to help them doesn't it just make you feel so good? :D Basically, I am not leaving England, so I would like to do whatever the U21 coach would need help with. I have a lot more experience than I did when I first joined the U21 staff two seasons ago, and I now feel comfortable dealing with pretty much any task (except for cleaning the arena bathrooms like Eminence made me do when I first came here ;D )

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216987.38 in reply to 216987.37
Date: 5/18/2012 3:18:57 PM
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Hey, everybody has to start somewhere ;)

And now a question for everyone, given this player at 18 what do you think a realistic goal for him would be when he turns 21?

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: respectable
> Outside Def.: respectable Handling: average
> Driving: pitiful Passing: respectable
> Inside Shot: atrocious Inside Def.: inept
> Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: atrocious
> Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: strong

Assume a decent guard height, and potential high enough that it won't hinder training.

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216987.39 in reply to 216987.38
Date: 5/18/2012 5:03:04 PM
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let's say 6'1" and Superstar - so he's not a long term NT candidate.

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216987.40 in reply to 216987.38
Date: 5/18/2012 5:31:03 PM
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A trainer level could help them. Lets say 4?

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216987.41 in reply to 216987.38
Date: 5/18/2012 5:36:50 PM
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Alright, well there are 22 regular season games in the season, and two games are played per week (and a scrimmage/cup game of course). Basically that means that there are 11 weeks in the season, plus the playoffs and the first scrimmage of the season and that is about another two weeks I believe. So basically, that's 13 weeks a season and since he will be trained his 18, 19 and 20 year old season that's around 39 weeks of training (there's a little math for ya! :D ). Of course, there will be weeks where there is just no pop, and there will be weeks where you screw up and forget to set your scrimmage lineup so let's say that over those 3 seasons you will get 30 pops (in a a perfect world of course). Personally, I really like driving on my guards and would want to fix that up early probably with some 1v1 forwards training (so it would also pump up his IS a bit hopefully). After fixing that, if you were going for a PG type I think reaching these levels for guard skills would be achievable:

PG: 10/9/13/11/10/12

That's a total of 65 guard skill points, compared to the 36 this player started with. I believe that something like this is achievable if you have the right manager and a fairly good trainer. If you were going for more of an outside SG type though you might want to have something like this:

SG: 14/11/13/10/8/9

Still 65 skill points but much higher JS and JR. These are the two builds I think you could build out of this player, and obviously you can give or take a few pops here and there. I know we discussed this before on the offsite, but any PG on the team should preferably look something like this:

JS-8+
JR-8+
OD-12+
HA-10+
DR-10+
PA-12+

And any SG:

JS-14+
JR-10+
OD-12+
HA-8+
DR-8+
PA-8+

Obviously there are exceptions from season to season. These are just my thoughts on this topic, and another nice question ;)

Edit: @HoF - Elmacca: Sorry didn't see your question until after I posted this. Started typing, then I had to leave my computer for like 15 minutes and came back to it. According to buzzer manager though, if you trained a PG like I described above he would have a very manageable salary of 24k, and would 68-75% capped (meaning there would still be a lot of room during the course of his U21 season to fix any holes that remain). The SG on the other hand would have a salary of around 29k, and would be 72-78% capped. For most teams these salaries would be manageable, and there would still be a lot of room left to continue training.

Last edited by SREZ at 5/18/2012 5:48:05 PM

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