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And that player in particular, who was 13/11/13, sold for only 2.8m. It's possible that's closer to 1/3 then 1/2 of the value from last season.

That's down a good amount from even 2-3 weeks ago. I guess jbmcrock is right, earlier this season prices were still being propped up a few that had some money left. Maybe prices are starting to bottom out.

I personally like the changes. I think their good for everyone. The problem I'm seeing is that it was nothing one day.. Then BAM everything here the next day.

You have to expect it to take a season or 2 for everything to slow down and come back to normal. It's just like the stock markets. Everyone is in panic mode thus creating sellers. The buyers can't make enough money to buy fast enough with the new changes.

Therefor the prices have to come down so the buyers can buy at the price they can afford.

Would have been nicer to see 10% tax this year 20 next and 30 the following would have created less dramatic effect but too late now

I say you that the market is not only for the major team,but also for the weaker team which want to play better...and in this kind of market prices aren't dropped down,rather they are equal or higher for players of the medium rank(with the cost of 400-500k).There is a beatiful discussion in the italian BB forum about market dynamics,I reccomend you to see it :D

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 10/10/2008 4:58:39 AM

Well ive watched the markets (both financial and BB!) these past couple of weeks and spotted more cheating than normal...

I traded one guy and bought another in the 1mil and under bracket which I havent studied for a while. For me a large % of the drop is on players that are listed at quiet times. Living in Japan I can be online when there are less than 100 people online (30 during really slow periods) now at present there arent that many players listed fullstop during quiet times but for Free Agents whose deadline is random this is where there are some better deals to be had.

Also you have to understand that there are many newer managers who can be mislead when it comes to valuations. They may overvalue certain skills compared to more experienced managers and unless they have followed the forums to broaden their knowledge beyond what the rules tell you we will always look and question certain transfers that are made.

Having participated in most threads concerning the economic situation within BB I can accept the inflationary/deflationary stages we will and are going through and the only real variable I can see that needs to be watched is the price of arena expansion vs player prices. If we continue the current trend then I can see larger arenas and in time more money to then circulate on the TL. I think though this will however be a slow and gradual process.

Also you have to understand that there are many newer managers who can be mislead when it comes to valuations. They may overvalue certain skills compared to more experienced managers and unless they have followed the forums to broaden their knowledge beyond what the rules tell you we will always look and question certain transfers that are made.

Having participated in most threads concerning the economic situation within BB I can accept the inflationary/deflationary stages we will and are going through and the only real variable I can see that needs to be watched is the price of arena expansion vs player prices. If we continue the current trend then I can see larger arenas and in time more money to then circulate on the TL. I think though this will however be a slow and gradual process.

I'm quite satisfied about the decision of BBs to reduce the excess of money in the market,the problem is that,since there are enourmous difference between the competivity of different series in different countries,players who a team in a certain country doesn't make difference and a user want to pay less money,in other countries make a strong difference,so some users distort the market who could have a certain kind of objective values...if also you consider what you have said "They may overvalue certain skills compared to more experienced managers" and i agree,the result is that if brianjames talk about a deflationary stages for the great mass of the market,i don't agree with him

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 10/10/2008 5:43:30 AM

what is there not to agree about..

anyone that you can pick up for under 100k shouldnt really be making ANYONES roster in 1 maximum 2 seasons. Why are players bought at this level? For scrimmages and to warm the bench. I know starting rosters are poor buy even so.. dont even bother to buy and just concentrate on what you have...

I picked up a Prominent JS Resp JR Small Forward with 3 other key respectables who was playing his entire career at C (hence 6 ratings) for under 800k. Now he is my worse player (excl. my 34yo scrub) so why did I buy him? I saw value and even if i keep for 14 weeks (unlikely) then for 920k total outlay I am confident I will never lose money on him infact if the taxes alter in my favour from next season he is a great reserve for my team - he allows me to sell a more valuable player that I am currently unable to train etc etc.

The point im making is there is a market for almost any kind of player (apart from the real dross) the inactivity maybe because of economics or because of peoples fears that the BB's will make another swift change which they dont want to risk.

Who knows, I might struggle to recoup $400k for my recent guy in a season from now... the deflation is evident everywhere its how you interpret and act upon it that counts. If you are struggling in the $400-500k pool then wait til you can fish higher up or take measures to make sure you can sooner (sell 2-3 trainees if you are training 5 to concentrate on just 3) serious players will/should always increase in value either in $$ or in trade in value that allows you to buy better equivalents.

The point im making is there is a market for almost any kind of player (apart from the real dross) the inactivity maybe because of economics or because of peoples fears that the BB's will make another swift change which they dont want to risk.

Who knows, I might struggle to recoup $400k for my recent guy in a season from now... the deflation is evident everywhere its how you interpret and act upon it that counts. If you are struggling in the $400-500k pool then wait til you can fish higher up or take measures to make sure you can sooner (sell 2-3 trainees if you are training 5 to concentrate on just 3) serious players will/should always increase in value either in $$ or in trade in value that allows you to buy better equivalents.

The problem is we're not talking about a phenomenon when we'talk about players which cost 400-500k,i had to sell my best players or two strong trainees for a player which could help me,but is not able to make a quality jump for the future(if you are so able to take a strong player with an age and a potential which consent to train and better him with this priceyou are a magician or a very lucky person).


Last edited by Steve Karenn at 10/10/2008 7:09:53 AM

The point im making is there is a market for almost any kind of player (apart from the real dross) the inactivity maybe because of economics or because of peoples fears that the BB's will make another swift change which they dont want to risk.

Who knows, I might struggle to recoup $400k for my recent guy in a season from now... the deflation is evident everywhere its how you interpret and act upon it that counts. If you are struggling in the $400-500k pool then wait til you can fish higher up or take measures to make sure you can sooner (sell 2-3 trainees if you are training 5 to concentrate on just 3) serious players will/should always increase in value either in $$ or in trade in value that allows you to buy better equivalents.

The problem is we're not talking about a phenomenon when we'talk about players which cost 400-500k,i had to sell my best players or two strong trainees for a player which could help me,but is not able to make a quality jump for the future(if you are so able to take a strong player with an age and a potential which consent to train and better him with this priceyou are a magician or a very lucky person).

I dont buy this 400-500k hole - if anything the whole is at the 2.5-3.5mil range where people are currently preferring to buy 2 x players for this money. The real top players are still changing hands but the ones just below that are not (as they dont tend to improve the real top teams who are also the ones more likely to have or raise the cash for them)

If you think we arrived to the best balance between costs and profits you don't have to work anymore on it otherwise as already someone (sorry I don't remeber your name ;) said, it's impossible for us to prepare a long term strategy.
Last season we have seen players sold for 8 millions this season max for 6 millions, who bought last season will have a loss if he needs to sell the same player now but that's it we cannot change every season simply because there were a lot of $$$ or because people doesn't have $$$. People that wants to keep the players in roster in order to not have loss will be forced to sell these players when there will be the new salary update and the market will work once again.
At the end; no deflaction here, simply the users don't want to sell at 1 what has been paid 2 some weeks ago, the BBs have only to decide how many "stars" we have to keep in roster for example 3 in top div, 2 in second, one in third division and balance the income following the salaries of these stars; if I can't have 5 stars in my roster I will have simply to sell some players if I don't want to go in bankruptcy. I'm sure everyone wants to have the best players in his roster but it's also funny to manage a team with 1 star and 4 good players.

Last edited by ned at 10/10/2008 12:01:22 PM

I cant wait to hear the whining after another season of salary hikes...gimme a break.