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my mistake , we lost by 40 ... i am getting old

if you check play by play you will see Jägermeister and Dieckhoff coming in the same time so I guess the position 4 and 5 were covered this way

PF: Gensberger- Broszeit - Jägermeister
C: Grund - Broszeit - Jägermeister

thats quiet simple and really nothing new. If you change C and PF the same time, what will happen ?

And for the money. That´s possibly true, but still you can´t count on that money. Your salaries rises also through training and you have to make decisions and may be sell players. Thats the game ...

Well when they don't play or play limited minutes (maybe is in the lineup but does not play) the merchandise decreases. If this is a myth invented by managers is difficult to say. There is a lot of noise that goes into that number, because it depends also on team results, PR manager ecc ecc, so if we're talking about a reduction from 36 to 30 it might be difficult to prove and a reduction is 36 to 6 in the same season should be a much rarer event.

We better ask Marin about it. A simple yes or no answer will suffice. As I said he should know the exact amount of the impact and he doesn't need to disclose how it works or how much it is.

for the money. That´s possibly true, but still you can´t count on that money.

Go ask people competing in the BB or for titles in Germany, if they don't count on that money. The game rewards managers who have NT players and rightly so. This change was to remove blanks not to affect the NT and managers with NT players.

This change was not meant to remove a substitution pattern from the game either.

Recapping, the aim was: Removal of blank lineups.
The results are:
1) Blanks are no longer an option. The coach fills starters and backups if they are left empty. This is GOOD and fulfilled the original aim that Marin set for the change.
2) For some reason, the blank lineups came with a more efficient substitution pattern. The aim of this change was NOT to erase this feature from the game as it has nothing to do with avoiding setting a lineup. The change did erase this substitution pattern from the game, therefore this was an UNWANTED result as far as the information we got from the BBs on the topic goes. Unless Marin comes out now saying that the sub pattern linked to blanks was also an aberration which was not intended to be in the game we can assume they just removed a feature without adding anything in its place. My idea on the topic is that the sub pattern we saw with blanks is how LCD is supposed to work. It does not work quite as efficiently with all players selected, compared to blanks, because the depth chart is restricted to a starter and a backup for each position.
My suggestion would be to change LCD so that the coach can pick any of the THREE guys (so include also the reserve slot) set in the depth chart with the same substitution rules that were used for blanks, while Coach Pick from the Depth Chart only picks from TWO slots (starter and backup).
3) NT managers now have to choose who to play. They have more power in selecting a player as starter over another. This impacts the economy of D1 and, more rarely, D2 or D3 everywhere (to be confirmed with absolute certainty by Marin that playing time affects the merchandise money) and any discussion about conflict of interest we had in the past is now several times more relevant. The change in revenue sharing at the NT level was therefore another UNWANTED result which had nothing to do with blank lineups per se.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/23/2015 9:40:15 AM

if you check play by play you will see Jägermeister and Dieckhoff coming in the same time so I guess the position 4 and 5 were covered this way

PF: Gensberger- Broszeit - Jägermeister
C: Grund - Broszeit - Jägermeister

So please share with us how Jagerbomb managed to sneak in this game for a few minutes? Was it set like that with LCD? CPfDC (I pretty much can guarantee you it can't happen in CPfDC, since I played with that for like 5 seasons)? If there were no blanks anywhere I'd like to know how the setup was, I will try to replicate playing 11 or 12 players in close games/defeats when I start having scrimmage games in a few weeks.

Check how many players will play for Germany tonight against England in what should be a close game. You'll see no more than 10 will play.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/23/2015 8:30:01 AM

I am not a national team gm....
Good D3 teams and higher used this tactic in the US...
so this is more than just a NT issue.
With less mins played the chance of injury decreases. And not only were the substitution patterns superior... the coach actually matched up defensively.
That is gone now... and it was superior.
Can we get that aspect back please?

I think he's saying more injuries to the starters, not more injuries in general, to be precise. He's making the case that more minutes for starters equal higher chance of an injury to starters (and conversely a lower chance for backups). Another unwanted effect that has nothing to do with the removal of blank lineups, but with the removal of the sub pattern that came with them.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/23/2015 9:42:00 AM

Thankyou for explaining my thoughts on the matter word for word.
If I could only be so eloquent in the simplicity of your decoding what i was trying to say but clearly failing.

The removal of the BLU was understood but for thoes who have watched many games like me and can tell you how the game flows. .. not stats. It gets alittle embarrassing to take a look back and see how many 1970s style alarm clock type scoreboards I have watched over almost 7 years. Seasons 3 thru 26 I did my own lineups. I got tired of missing big games to teams that did this. ... but no body is going to tell you soi had to find out through scrimmage. . And once i understood what was going on now the purchasing a players changed completely. .... it became COMPLETLY based on how the sub patterns would flow during a game. ... that's not less work that was more!
Instead of the game in and game out adjustments you put that time into what fit on your team. ..... oh and the clincher for me is that ALL offensive tactics became viable under this. .. you could get away from Look Inside and like your chances based on the strengths of your roster that you scrubbed the TL for.

+1 Lemonshine


Last edited by BarryS at 2/23/2015 11:11:44 AM