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112356.32 in reply to 112356.31
Date: 10/9/2009 8:50:36 AM
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sorry, missed the final number there. I fixed the link.

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112356.33 in reply to 112356.29
Date: 10/9/2009 8:52:25 AM
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Maybe under the old engine but not the new one, it seems. Again, I do not think it is the 3-2 zone that is the issue. It is the level of outside d that matters.


did the calculation changed? To get high 7 in Flow you had very good player for the flow, i get it with

PG: 11/13(HN/PS)
SG: 13/10
SF: 8/10

so i palyed with 3 PG like players, two of them are counted as Sg but they are very similiar in their salary in this two positions.

And i had no problem to get the 9 with a man to man defense with just sligthly better d skills, with 3-2 zone you had even worse D then "flow" abilitys but are still to superior that your opponent can not find the week spot in your defence?

In my last LI game, i think with solid flow my center also takes few shots - and had a nice matchup fom the matchup rating(which i always have trouble to udnerstand):

(15527365)

The SF who killed me there had 8/8 in handling and Passing, his opposing player had something like an 7-8 in OD.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 10/9/2009 8:54:43 AM

From: brian

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112356.34 in reply to 112356.33
Date: 10/9/2009 9:49:31 AM
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What about the driving of these players? I though driving also contributed to off flow, giving players the ability to create their own shots.

You were up against some pretty good defense there, and your SF appears to be an inferior player to the one he was matched up against. 13/10/10 passing is definitely good, maybe enough to keep you in this game, but not enough to pull off a difficult road win.

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From: CrazyEye

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Date: 10/9/2009 10:12:56 AM
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i don't complain about the loss, this was a 50:50 game and someone had to loose it - in this case it was me ;) My main propose is that Flow 7 is pretty good, and from the skill requirements compareable with OD 9. The driving skills was around the handling level of the players.

For my example with the flow i take my last game:

(15527387) because the linked one(in my first post) was in the OT, and normally you get better ratings then.

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112356.36 in reply to 112356.30
Date: 10/9/2009 10:43:12 AM
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Do you have a low post example that didn't go into OT? I don't have a good handle on what happens to the game ratings in OT.

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112356.37 in reply to 112356.36
Date: 10/9/2009 10:47:55 AM
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s9 playoff game

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Date: 10/9/2009 10:50:14 AM
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did the calculation changed? To get high 7 in Flow you had very good player for the flow, i get it with

PG: 11/13(HN/PS)
SG: 13/10
SF: 8/10


I didn't say that the calculation changed. I'm just saying that while respectable flow may have been considered high in the old engine, maybe it isn't as good anymore. Also, you may consider 11/13 to be really high levels of handling/passing. However, if you consider that to get a proficient outside d in a 3-2 zone, you probably need a PG/SG with about tremendous outside d, combined with a SF who has about strong. So it sounds like the match-up is still not that great for you.

In any case, I wasn't commenting on one of your matches. I was looking at the NT match quoted above.

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Date: 10/9/2009 10:55:12 AM
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However, if you consider that to get a proficient outside d in a 3-2 zone, you probably need a PG/SG with about tremendous outside d, combined with a SF who has about strong. So it sounds like the match-up is still not that great for you.


they could be weaker ;) Especially if you don't have a loosy enthusiam, and a high enthusiam is pretty easy to achive with the NT.

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Date: 10/9/2009 10:58:44 AM
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they could be weaker ;) Especially if you don't have a loosy enthusiam, and a high enthusiam is pretty easy to achive with the NT.


You are right - I didn't think of enthusiasm.

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112356.41 in reply to 112356.27
Date: 10/9/2009 10:58:44 AM
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I do think that the answer to these questions is already in the first two messages of this thread: (112356.1) (112356.2). And yes, I have the impression that the consequences of this are quite big and that quick adaptation offers some quick competitive advantage here.

You are right, as usual :)
Just to be clear, I like the new changes to the GE, all of them: the increased importance of handling and passing, the 'real' zone defense, the rebounding... but I think it needs some fine tuning.

The problem to me is that the adaptation seems only important for inside tactics. When playing r&g you can still forget about offensive flow, as long as your shooting skills are good enough.
The impression I have is that the offensive flow (passing and handling skills) has too much impact on the shot distribution (which affects inside tactics more than outside ones) and too little impact on the shot quality (which would affect more outside shots).

From: brian

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112356.42 in reply to 112356.35
Date: 10/9/2009 11:05:53 AM
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Ah, ic. Nevermind then


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