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From: Hadron

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161607.32 in reply to 161607.30
Date: 10/20/2010 8:13:31 PM
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And how many PFs average over 11 rpg in real life? Let alone 15. Point is if in BB PFs and Cs are going to average 15 rpg then there should be a scaling up of rpgs for the other positions as well. Especially SF. That seems pretty logical. I haven't seen too many SFs who average over 8 rpg here, so maybe in this game rebounding is seen as the forte of the big men?

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Date: 10/21/2010 1:22:25 PM
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I always go back to this. My belief is that all of the 1v1 rebounding battles ultimately who wins the rebound. Yes, if the PF is lined up for the rebound, the PF-PF match-up matters the most. However, all the other match-ups contribute to who actually gets the rebound. I believe that is how they implemented "boxing out".

If true, it means that you can't just look at stats to accurately determine whether a guard's rebounding skill is worth it vs the salary that you pay for it. Because winning the rebounding battle at guard and SF, while not giving you a lot more rebounds at those positions, may ultimately make your PF and C get more rebounds at the end of the day.

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From: Hadron

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161607.36 in reply to 161607.33
Date: 10/21/2010 8:39:35 PM
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I checked out a few good rebounding SFs on the TL and there are some who hover around the 10 rpg mark. But I'm not sure they played the whole season at SF on both offence and defence. I get the feeling though that if these players played every game at PF they'd average a hell of a lot more over the season.

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161607.37 in reply to 161607.36
Date: 10/22/2010 5:39:12 AM
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my inside sf also was close around the 10 reb in the past, and he wasn't really skilled :)

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161607.38 in reply to 161607.37
Date: 10/22/2010 2:29:09 PM
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Did you play him at SF on both defence and offence all season? And what level rebounding did he have?

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161607.40 in reply to 161607.35
Date: 10/23/2010 5:34:13 AM
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I always go back to this. My belief is that all of the 1v1 rebounding battles ultimately who wins the rebound. Yes, if the PF is lined up for the rebound, the PF-PF match-up matters the most. However, all the other match-ups contribute to who actually gets the rebound. I believe that is how they implemented "boxing out".


I also believe that Rebounding was implemented in such a way but certainly with a dominant effect of the match-up of the players that play in the range of the position where the ball falls into.

With this in mind you need only to look at the average opportunity of rebounds players compete for at a certain position. I reviewed unsystimatically a dozen of matches and found a range of 10 to 20% of rebs to be competed for at the SF position. (I couldn't see a direct relationship to selected tactics - does anyone know better?). I think that this is a significant opportunity.

On the other hand I have a guard with reb skill 8. This season he played only on PG/SG and averages a little less than 1 reb per 10 minutes - modest, I would say.

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161607.41 in reply to 161607.32
Date: 10/27/2010 3:26:40 AM
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I haven't seen too many SFs who average over 8 rpg here, so maybe in this game rebounding is seen as the forte of the big men?
Check out my guy: Maario Pruler (7710859). SF who for training purposes plays from PG to C in offense but all league games this season as SF in defense. He averages 8.5 RPG in 35.2 minutes. Then he played at least 36 minutes he got double-double in pts and rebs. I have trained his rebounding usually in off-seasons and the skills of rebounding now is dark brown:)

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