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Ya the last wicked big man was Glenn Richards. I think he made it straight from the U21 team to the NT. Though having balanced big men are nice for various reasons I personally think some managers put too much into it and then there NT value diminishes. I'm guessing the last manager that really kept training a big man in primiares, who really didn't need anymore secondaries, was Jutras' manager.

Of course if you picked up Blackburn, and with having Macciotte, and trained some passing for a season or two or three they could be decent options. Lol.

We could really use some managers of younger big men that have decent secondaries to stop training them and make them legit big men by getting those primaiaries popping. I'm pretty sure Glenn Richards manager never really ever trained any secondaries. He did start with decent ones though. But it's "All about the Benjamins" that they want to eventually pay them every week.

well, training bigs require a fine balance

on 1 hand, you need the primaries to make the player worth it.... but that eats into the salary really fast
on the other hand, you want to pop secondaries because a big with all primaries will turn the ball over and probably foul a lot..... but that eats into his value and NT potential

bballin and i are working on a NT/U21 requirements and hopefully come up with better guidelines for managers that are looking to train NT caliber players

Though having balanced big men are nice for various reasons I personally think some managers put too much into it and then there NT value diminishes.

I could not disagree more but that is one of my favorite things about BB. Everyone can and does put stock in different things so not many teams are built identical.

IMO balance is the difference maker. For example most teams in Naismith will have big men with at least two but more likely three Prodigous skills. But there are very few that have the same Prodigous skills along with a few other prominent plus skills. If those prominent + skills are in passing, driving and JS you have your self a pretty solid player that will contribute in many areas. The same can be said for Guards, Burns you should know that by now. I mean how many times have my pathetic guards shut down you NT tandem? This is not a coincidence it is based on builds...

:)

If I may throw my two cents out there.

Personally I agree that having balance is key. Especially at the club level, but I think that the monoskilled bigs definitely serve their purpose when running an inside focused offense at the NT level.

I have always wanted to have 2-3 of these beasts on the NT. Only to be used when running a LI or a LP, unless necessary due to bad GS. Maja at PF with Moran, Massicotte, Blackburn, Minnerup, Mompati at the C in a LI offense would do wonders. Obviously we have Moran, but we all know about his GS issues, so having another one or two of these guys would help the team. Right now Canada is easy to play against. A 3-2 zone because if we play LI against a 3-2, we do not have good enough inside scoring to really take advantage to much. Then the REB loss from a 3-2 for the opponents will not harm the much as we have abismal rebounding anyways.

These monoskilled players can help us become more of a threat. Give us two viable options. Obviously if we had a balanced player with the primaries of a monoskilled beast then that would be ideal, but who could afford that salary?

Or maybe im just stupid.

The line of thinking that mono skilled players serve a purpose on the NT is flawed. A triple colossal big man is going to be a disaster in cerain situations without solid secondaries, for example when he faces this big man(Poland NT- last seasons champion) he will get demolished 9 out of 10 times.

(9656006)

Weekly salary: $ 245 432

DMI: 3953300
Age: 29
Height: 7'2" / 218 cm
Potential: hall of famer
Game Shape: strong
Jump Shot: sensational Jump Range: mediocre
Outside Def.: prominent Handling: wondrous
Driving: prodigious Passing: prolific
Inside Shot: stupendous Inside Def.: phenomenal ↑
Rebounding: stupendous Shot Blocking: strong
Stamina: proficient Free Throw: respectable

Experience: respectable

Is there any question that this guy is better than Moran? Plus he has a lower salary, so may not be a piece of transfer list meat.

The key is to build smart players that are salary efficient. Players that can contribute in all area's not just IS,ID and Reb are far superior. We need to encourage training apposed to asking someone to be a mono skilled farm, that is what sets the top NT's apart from ours.


Last edited by Mod-beanerz at 6/8/2012 3:09:12 PM

The same argument can be made for guards. Our top guards have great primary skills, unfortunately that only allows a certain style of play. We lack in secondaries or balance in compared to the top nations.

Here is a Spanish NT'er who is far and away better than any of our guards and for similar dollar value:

(9304607)

Weekly salary: $ 195 483

DMI: 2971900
Age: 29
Height: 6'3" / 190 cm
Potential: MVP
Game Shape: proficient

Jump Shot: phenomenal Jump Range: prolific
Outside Def.: colossal Handling: phenomenal
Driving: colossal Passing: marvelous
Inside Shot: sensational Inside Def.: prominent
Rebounding: inept Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: average Free Throw: average

Experience: strong

Our guards may infact have better primaries than this guy, but don't stand a chance when this guy gets into the paint. That gives his team the option to play multiple tactics and move players around based on matchups, game shape, etc.

Maybe I am all alone in my line of thinking, but I hope these examples show that our players are not behind in the key skills. We lack commited trainers that will train a player into their mid to late 20's focusing on creating unique and balanced builds.


Last edited by Mod-beanerz at 6/8/2012 3:23:08 PM

agreed
this is why i want to start this discussion now before we are really out of players to call up for the NT

i like how my plan works exactly as intended lol
if you drop down and look at what is available 3-5 seasons down the line for the NT (not to say these players wont develop secondaries), its not a great picture as most bigs do not have adequate secondaries

the purpose of this exercise is for

1) name your pick as plausible bigs that could be of value to the NT
2) evaluate current NT players and why they are on the NT (establish base line skills)
3) make a basic guideline document on how we should push for development of future NT prospects

i think we are at the cusp of, if not complete, all 3 of my goals already =P

now it's just a matter of ironing out some drafts with bballin and myself (which we shall hash out early next week), post it on the off-site for review, then we're good to go public

I think mono-skilled players are very vaulable on the NT level but their ridiculously high salaries make them terrible investments on the club level.

Every time I look at one of these guys on the waiver wire, $250,000+ salary and somewhat mono-skilled, his list of past owners under his profile is a mile long and the transfer fees somewhat cheap.

Please explain...

Have a look at the NT players above and tell me if you would rather have Moran or the Polish PF posted? They have the same salary, but are not comparable!!

Change your mind people, your crazy!! But at least the old fashioned way of thinkng means I should remain competitive for a long time.

lol beanerz... as long as the NT manager thinks like you and me, we'd be fine =P

lol beanerz... as long as the NT manager thinks like you and me, we'd be fine

Only if you and I are the only ones training these players.

We need all of Canada to be part of training more well rounded players. The problem is that far too many users think salary is important and that mono skilled players are ok :(

I need a glass of wine :)

Last edited by Mod-beanerz at 6/8/2012 4:00:59 PM