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I'll have to assume that you are unable to see the bigger picture.

Maybe my assumptions are wrong, but as you fail to provide data to prove me wrong you won't be able to shut me up.

I have to assume you must have some problem in text comprehension,otherwise I can't understand how can't you see that people from different countries said the same things that contradicts your proposal and you still can't se what is the point

You have to shut up because we have understand what you want to propose,and all the people that have wroten in this thread agrees that your idea does not work

Listen at least one time.If you see the bigger picture,you can see that cup bonuses elimination worsen the core problem of BB economy,the fact that many teams have to choose between fielding a competitive team or make money through tanking.FA elimination won't balance this problem,and having a lower number of teams that can spend money in the market in the end worsen the economic situation,because teams can't spend money in the market

And you don't necessarily need to keep the overall amount of money in the system stable to the actual level,that is the reason why you pointed your attention to cup bonuses as the thing that would counterbalance from an economical standpoint the money that would be put in the market by FA elimination,since there is no danger of a return to the past high inflation regime.The kind of incomes that the teams had because of arena bugs aren't there anymore

Hey!

As its not a suggestion yet, I wanted to start a discussion here. I was thinking about how to get rid of the free agents and came up with an idea to remove the bonus money for cup wins - on a global scale this would take out BILLIONS out of the economy, we could get rid of the free agents and maybe (?) raise the value of players on active teams.

As I don't know how much money is taken out of the game by selling free agents I cannot make a clear suggestion, maybe it would be enough to cut the bonus for early rounds? Anyone has some data on free agents sales?

The bolded part doesn't make any sense.
When people want to introduce changes, they should always think why the system works like that.
Cup prizes are there as a trade-off, so you either focus on league matches or cup matches. You can bet that if there was no prize I'd drop the cup at the first match (everyone would do that) since cup matches would be the same as scrimmages.
One of the things that work is the week set-up, don't even try touching it.

Cups I can TIE scrimmages I cannot. You are wrong on the bolder point

Hey!

As its not a suggestion yet, I wanted to start a discussion here. I was thinking about how to get rid of the free agents and came up with an idea to remove the bonus money for cup wins - on a global scale this would take out BILLIONS out of the economy, we could get rid of the free agents and maybe (?) raise the value of players on active teams.

As I don't know how much money is taken out of the game by selling free agents I cannot make a clear suggestion, maybe it would be enough to cut the bonus for early rounds? Anyone has some data on free agents sales?

The bolded part doesn't make any sense.
When people want to introduce changes, they should always think why the system works like that.
Cup prizes are there as a trade-off, so you either focus on league matches or cup matches. You can bet that if there was no prize I'd drop the cup at the first match (everyone would do that) since cup matches would be the same as scrimmages.
One of the things that work is the week set-up, don't even try touching it.

Cups I can TIE scrimmages I cannot. You are wrong on the bolder point

I know, but if you read the whole conversation...

I did. And to the rest of the conversation I felt no need to comment because it was pretty rhetorical, hence why I bolded the one point for you to focus on

I did. And to the rest of the conversation I felt no need to comment because it was pretty rhetorical, hence why I bolded the one point for you to focus on

Don't try to do the professor when you have not the skills to do it.
Biffo is more experienced than you and knows perfectly all the differences between a scrimmage and cup games.Biffo's opinion was clear,without cup bonuses really few team would take cup seriously because it would give no advnatage in comparison with a scrimmage(to get a TIE you need to sacrifice a game in the champisonship,losing money because of lower attrendance in the nmext games).

If you want to make a comment in this thread,do it on the core question

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 6/23/2013 4:24:14 AM

Don't try to do the professor when you have not the skills to do it.

Come one, don't be a douche. We have a nice discussion here, don't bully people, please.

Don't try to do the professor when you have not the skills to do it.

Come one, don't be a douche. We have a nice discussion here, don't bully people, please.

Yeah,we are having a nice discussion,despite the difference in our opinions
His post was useless,though.He tried to correct a guy who is more experienced than him and that knows more than him,which thought was pretty clear to anyone with a bit of experience.And thinking that the other guy didn't know things that that guy know perfectly

I did. And to the rest of the conversation I felt no need to comment because it was pretty rhetorical, hence why I bolded the one point for you to focus on

Don't try to do the professor when you have not the skills to do it.
Biffo is more experienced than you and knows perfectly all the differences between a scrimmage and cup games.Biffo's opinion was clear,without cup bonuses really few team would take cup seriously because it would give no advnatage in comparison with a scrimmage(to get a TIE you need to sacrifice a game in the champisonship,losing money because of lower attrendance in the nmext games).

If you want to make a comment in this thread,do it on the core question

For the record I teach criminal justice courses at a community college around my shift as a cop.

Core issue. It's a bad idea

The first few cup rounds are games against bot or far inferior team - in most cases. So the point that you have to surrender a league game to stay in the cup does not count for me. Its still hundreds of millions free money for the economy.

On the other hand free agents have significantly improved the player pool. Premium talent stays and thus the team expenditures for salaries have risen. When I was in DIV I a few seasons ago, I was one of the top dogs and still was able to save 150k per week. From what I see now, most teams spend around 800k on their roster and I doubt any of those make a lot of money. I think that outweighs the cup benefits by far - I can't prove it though.

I think there should be a change one way or another, as we don't know the total amount of money in the game and its growth in the last few years, and nobody will tell us anyway I think we can end the discussion.

The first few cup rounds are games against bot or far inferior team - in most cases. So the point that you have to surrender a league game to stay in the cup does not count for me. Its still hundreds of millions free money for the economy.

On the other hand free agents have significantly improved the player pool. Premium talent stays and thus the team expenditures for salaries have risen. When I was in DIV I a few seasons ago, I was one of the top dogs and still was able to save 150k per week. From what I see now, most teams spend around 800k on their roster and I doubt any of those make a lot of money. I think that outweighs the cup benefits by far - I can't prove it though.

I think there should be a change one way or another, as we don't know the total amount of money in the game and its growth in the last few years, and nobody will tell us anyway I think we can end the discussion.

You are pointing out what happens in your community as it was a common thing.It's rare to have more than a pair of easy matches in the cup,at least in the most competitive countries.If a IV or even a strong V division italian team decides to play the cup seriously,I can't just put the scrubs out there and think to win easily,because even their level is something respectable
You don't have to surrender a championship game to advance in the first rounds of the cup,and you don't even have to think if use scrubs or not.But in a competitive country,that's what you are forced to do

Your spirit to improve the game is good,but your vision is limited and selfish

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 6/23/2013 11:39:55 AM