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From: Fwinns

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Date: 1/21/2015 7:07:10 PM
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When there is time to have bigs with 17ID, there is time to have bigs with 10 ID/IS/Rb and 5 Pa/JS/OD etc. Other teams have bigs with massive primaries, so there's no need wasting time on trying to have a big player with thoses primaries as well just to maybe be able to stop the other guy. Instead let's have bigs that can pass the ball and handle it properly.

From: Myles

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Date: 1/21/2015 8:08:41 PM
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5 passing sucks.
You have between 10/10/10 with 8 8 8 or 13 13 13 with 3-5
No one makes the team with 10/10/10 big men skills

P.S. Those guys get asked to train Guard skills but, they don't listen.

Last edited by Myles at 1/21/2015 8:10:05 PM

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Date: 1/21/2015 8:35:35 PM
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You should give a certain amount of skill points.

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Date: 1/21/2015 9:24:13 PM
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I'll say it depends on the skills of the other players on the team, and the opponent. Outside SF (or SG playing SF) for an opponent with inside focus, and the opposite for an opponent with outside focus (PF playing SF).

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Date: 1/21/2015 9:35:15 PM
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Personnaly I prefer outside players :P
so for 85 points that would be something like
10/10 10/8 8/9 8/10 6/6 for JS/JR OD/Ha Dr/Pa IS/ID Rb/SB

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@ Headless post 2
So...voters have to search for your earlier brilliance?
Here it was:

Brilliance is all I offer.

@Morwood post 3
can you tell me based off of your limited view of canadas 21 year old prospects, what kind of team do you envision( you can answer without giving too much away but i do want you to answer).. and what do you see as the possible team defiiciencies that you want to address?

I don't see any S20 player depth charts on the offsite to answer this question. Does Sparky have it somewhere I'm not looking?

@Saumong post 10
what will you do to make U21 reach its max potential? What makes you different then all the other candidates in terms of being able to run U21?

Get the most out of every player I can. Tirelessly scout opposition players and their weaknesses. Use enth + gdp to effect where needed and gamble when needed.
Trophies.

@Beanerz post 16
1) How will you increase interest in the Canadian U21 team?
2) Did you learn anything from the mistakes that Sparky made in his term? If so what?
3) Obviously you cannot see the builds of the players but how will you change the training strategies? Sparky mentioned that very few people responded to his messages, so I am curious how your approach will be different.

Interest waning in many nations is a chance for us to rise up not follow. If we can establish a core of U21/NT trainers as well as coach new managers in developing talent for their own teams AND the U21/NT. Be positive, be helpful, be knowledgeable. Agree on Tiger's point about press releases, propaganda, etc. to advertise games, player accomplishments.
To be honest, I didn't pay much attention to U21 while in the hands of someone less capable.
Not much you can do but be persistent, listen to the needs/wants of the manager, and try to come up with the proper solution for each trainee's case. Be organized in channeling trainees to the proper training builds.

@Oasis77 post 23
Will you maintain a roster database on the offsite?

Yes. The offsite needs to be utilized 10x as much as it is now. Why aren't people posting/participating there? It's dead. It's filled with so many posts/folders from 2012 that finding something from 2015 is a treasure hunt. People should be in the know about how the team is forming/changing/improving. Having a "manager of the month" for most training pops or something would encourage managers to send more BB mail to the U21 manager about every pop every week.

@Morwood post 34
What does your ideal u21 sf look like? inside? outside? combo? please explain.

In U21 it really helps to have both an inside and outside oriented SF. One to start, one to backup. Tough to have a talented enough SF at age 21 to be a combo SF without being too weak somewhere, but if the other SFs have GS/injury problems, that combo guy could always come in handy.
10/8 11/8 8/9 10/10 7/4 off the top of my head for 85 TSP. Less JR and SB than Fwinns' SF, as I believe JR will be lower at 10 than the defending OD anyways and SB is only really handy at higher levels (not enough difference in the 5-10 range to justify training unless pumping higher.)

edit: Ha, looks like I posted a combo SF. +2 JS/JR (and -2 IS/ID) for outside, +2 IS/ID (-2 JS/JR) for inside give or take. RB also looks low at 7. RB is huge for more offensive chances and stopping the opposition from the same. Maybe -1 HA and +1 RB or even -1 HA and PA, +2 RB.

Last edited by U21 CAN Cletus at 1/21/2015 11:34:06 PM

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Question for all.
Will you maintain a roster database on the offsite? (somewhere that others can see the growth of players) I remember Kumiko sending me a message and congratulating me for getting more than 10 pops for my player. (I had no idea but it sure made focus after being reminded of the positive.) It is extremely hard to give an opinion if you do not know the players skills.
Sorry for the rambling post, the question is on the first line.


it's a very difficult question for me. i don't know what kind of the offsite you have. if it will be possible for me to do smth there... of course i will have spreadsheet on my pc which will be updated once a season (i hope u21 will not have time for more updates ))) ). as i said earlier there will be surveys about every generation so in the end/beginning of the season you will know about best players in every generation on every position. if someone wants to help me these updates and surveys can be more often then once a season. cause
You cannot scout guys during the season.
Your enthusiasm goes down when you dismiss a player.
You are only allowed 18 players on the team at once.

all these are wright but you can ask managers via bb-mail... and obviously this is needed. but it's very difficult to do for one person

For all candidates(since my last questions never got answered by Unicorns)... What does your ideal u21 sf look like? inside? outside? combo? please explain.. SF is so important in this game, especially if you want to run versatile offenses. I mean just look at last year's u21 world cup champion USA.. the guy they used as SF to win the championship had 13 jumpshot and 16 inside shot!!! his defense left lots to be desired, but depending on the oppposition, this presented big matchup problems, even if that meant drawing fouls!

so I look forward to your ideas of ideal u21 Small Forward ... good luck to all!! (not the ones who didn't take the time to do speeches though)


i very like combo SF. 85 points? 12-9-11-9-10-10-11-11. without RB and BS... smth like this maybe. but in ideal situation it is very good to have 3 SF. combo, inside (big with OD 8+, smth like 11-3-9-10-11-9-14-13. ) and outside (SG with ID 8+, smth like 13-10-13-12-12-9-5-9)
about other positions... every tactic need different set of the players. outside - Pass for the bigs, midrange - shooting for bigs, inside - IS for SG... in ideal: monster C (with Pass), outside accent PF, true-PG and shooter as SG. but not all of them will play in exactly game, cause every tactic need different set of the players

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