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Best thing to do would be layout what you have found in terms of examples and where the new FA parameters are. Then put forward your case as to why you think the changes may actually be worse than before.

I've already done that. Marin said everything is working how he wants it to. Here: (270442.1)

My problem is not with the new FA policy per se, what I do not accept is that someone insults my intelligence when he says both the announcement and the actual implementation are coherent and deliver on what it was promised. This is my main problem. I don't disagree with the New Season announcement. Claiming that preventing 22yo 34k HoF players from becoming free agents (while they would have become free agents until last season) is the logical implementation of that announcement insults my intelligence, no matter how low it may be.

Note that the FA policy isn't up for discussion and, in any case, in general I agree with what was outlined in the New Season post. The problem is the actual implementation does not match that, despite all the claims by Marin that this is the case. Because with all that's been said and done, he has still managed to avoid answering how young high potential players retiring ties with the announcement....

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/23/2015 2:21:25 PM

I don't think anyone was trying to mislead you or insult your intelligence. Its only BB, not some evil corporation trying to destroy your life through small print and changes to the FA system.

It might not be up for discussion but we can still have a constructive discussion in a thread as a community? Might not make any changes but Marin would at least listen to the arguments on both sides.

I somehow doubt he's taken anything constructive from this thread..

I do agree with you to a certain point. I believe that why some people did not like the way you reacted is because we do not understand how the new retirement system works. It's difficult to argue about something we do not understand, so trying to understand it better might be the first thing to do.

In a previous, you replied that considering TSP and discarding salary to decide whether or not a player would retire is not the right way to achieve what was in the announcement. I liked your message even if I don't totally agree with your conclusion (if you want to, I could explain why). In a very rough manner, looking at salary would save mono-skilled players while looking at TSP would save multi-skilled players.

Today, I saw a 19-year old Hall of Famer who became FA, he had 74 TSP and a below 5k salary. I believe that, with the previous system, such a player would have retired. I don't have enough inputs to judge how good/bad the new FA system is. I still agree with you to say it looks strange.

Last point, I do agree that BB-Marin could have been a little bit more helpful to understand why a player retires or not, however, one of the big thing in BB has always been to figure out on things work and we, users, always did a good job at guessing. There is a sentence I like, I only know it my mother tongue so here is an attempted translation: "Learn, learn to know, know to understand, understand to judge".

I felt bad that we can't have a constructive conversation so I went to collect some data and came out with the first FA mechanism model: http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/forum/read.aspx?thread=270433&m=19

As I stated in the message, the lack of samples make the model quite inaccurate but I'm pretty sure your input will be valuable. From what we find, we may be able to better discuss about the recent changes made.

Well, I can't say you haven't been warned, so I'm deleting your post and closing this thread. The personal attacks continued and the discussion has again stooped right down to them. I refuse to discuss anything in such an offensive thread and will not tolerate your attacks further. Try a different approach.