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In fact at least three people said 19 year olds should be better, including yourself.
Some 19 year olds are better. Some 19 year olds are worse.

I think the draft is fine. Like Kozlodoev said, the draft is for acquiring raw material.
It's not supposed to be worthy yet.

"As if the marble knew what the mallet tapped to know."

I don't said it must that 19y be better than 18y and I have a lot of examples from the real life but anyway, reality or not, our draft system must some refreshing..

Why does it need some refreshing? It has been adjusted 1 or 2 seasons ago with a new interface and extra information about the players you gathered scouting reports from. In my opinion it is too early to shout for changes when the current system hasn't been decently analysed yet because more data are needed.

again, nobody said that because a player is a year-two older does it mean he should be better

Actually, that seems to be the basis of your whole argument.

Right, but I never said that all the 19 years old players should be better than 18y. and that's what he understood from the message.. it's clear that there is some 18y old players are much better than 19-22y(Lebron James at age 18 was much better than very senior foxes). but I talked about the talented players of age 19y in the draft system.. but again, all relative .

Anyway, the whole suggestion it to makes general change and not just between the rookies ages .

Last edited by Warrior at 11/2/2008 12:45:46 PM

whole respectable 19y could be good difference sometimes, human talent is unexpectable, so your point can have good reflection afterall

i agree the drat right now is not nearly optimal...i think you should give olders an advantage on youngers and rise the averages of the rookies higher,there's a whole diffrence from 1 draft pick and the last but if this game want to be like the real life then the first draft pick should be good enugh to play in the first 5 in his team in the NBA 1 draft picks are scoring 20 points in game most of the time and sometimes more but here you will be lucky if your new player will make a 10 poitns average...there is a lot to change in the current system for my opinion.

Well if you'd change the system in order to some draftees being stars already from the beginning you'd have to change the training system to - a normal player will not make the progress he is doing i BB in the real life.

Of course 19y old players should not have a skill advantage - it would be nonsense since it would remove the reason for picking the young 18y old (since 19y old are not training that much slower and the 19y old would be closer to your starting five). The skillfull 18y olds are and should be the real stars of the draft and should never be less skillfull than their 19y old counterparts.

Further, it is a good thing that the quality of the dragtees is not improving as the managers do. Of course all of us improve (to a certain level). That is natural as more mature teams will have more fans and better finances. If the draftees improved along with this we would just make better and better teams and never really have to be tactical and choose where to focus and how to gain the edge over our opponents. I think that'd be boring...

Did not go through the whole thread.

What I suggested some time ago was to have a different evaluation scale for different ages. If a 18yo with a certain set of skills has a 4 balls rating, a 19yo with the exact same set of skills you could have 3 balls.

But now that the age becomes visible with a second scouting my suggestion has become quite a bit weaker.

i didn't ment for ALL number 1 picks...only the number 1 pick in the whole draft the pkayer all the teams trying to get you know they do a lot od buzz around them so why in the game the best plaer in the whole draft still might be on the beanch becouse his not good enugh for the first 5? why does a team manager invest 40K each week for 11 weeks paying 440K in season for a pkayer worth less then 200k in skills(not taking the pontentiol price rate)? if i'm a low rank team in the league and i'm givinf 440K i'm expecting to get A STAR if i pick the first player and if not then AT THE VERY LEAST A PLAYER THAT CAN PLAY GOOD IN MY FIRST TEAM,if not then the game dosn't help the low team in a helpfull way and thay invest a lot of money to get something that with a lot of luck might be worth the investmant mostly not...how many draft pciks are worth more them 440K right after the draft? without superstar potentionl and more i don't think you will find enough...it's logical that if the draft should help low teams(as said in the rules)and they invest 440K then at least they could have the option to get a pkayer that worth this money not 3 that toghter worth it...i want the draft to be closer to reality and what to do there are players that in age 18 are better then players in age 30 and can start in the first 5 before them in this game it's almost impossible i'm enjoing this game a lot but after investing year after year in the draft i'm positive it SHOULD change and the faster the better the 19 and 18 age players skills are not so importent but not even one pkayer with one "strong" skill in the whole draft(didn't seen one)is so weak you get the best player in the draft and wait for a center that you can put in the first 5 and then you can a player to warm your bench at least,i'm a high rank team in my leauge but the low team should get stronger in the end of seasen and that just don't happen with the current draft system

Train the player for a season and he might be worth a lot more. Train him two seasons and he will increase in value even more.

I think that is how you mainly benefit from the draft not by selling players straightly after the draft.

Can anyone who been around for some seasons comment on my ideas?

It can go either way, if you draft a young guy with a decent set of starting skills and high-ish potential then he can sell for quite a bit, simply because of how good he can become. But obviously if you train that same player for a few seasons, he can go for 10x that value.

I think it all depends on what your training schedule is. I sold a guy a couple of seasons ago for $500k that was a great prospect but came to me a season too late, so he just didn't fit into my plans. On the other hand, I bought a guy for over $1m because he fit exactly into my training plans and had decent secondary skills. Chances are I won't sell him but train him up to a decent level and then keep him because he's more use to me here than in another team. Plus, my finances are very healthy and I profit almost every week, so the whole "train+sell" issue isn't as important to me.

On a more global scale, I would agree with you, the main benefit of the draft is getting young players for free, training them and then selling them. But it's not the only way that the draft should be used.