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I did and I imagine it like this:

Say you have a Superstar (8) with sublevel 8.5. MVP is 9.

So soft cap is 8.5 and hardcap is 9. This means he will train really slowly from 8.5 to 9, but once he comes to 9 he will stop.

And you got that information from...?

Now that I think of, maybe this is not confirmed directly from BBs, but mainly from speculations and "urban legends", circulating on this forums. Maybe it's not true, but I believe it anyway because until it's proven otherwise, I don't know what else to believe.

The urban legends I´ve been talking to think about the cap as a soft cap only - there´s a border, after which training slows down so massively, that it´s hardly worth spending training minutes on the player anymore. I know several player that have been trained over the "cap" which received like 12-13 weeks of full training till they got their next pop, but they got it nevertheless. I´m not sure why the system should use a "hard cap" when the soft cap mechanism (and the age factor) will sooner or later limit the players skills theoretically anyways.

Even if there is a hard cap, it would be pretty hard to find evidence outside a straight confirmation from the BBs, as the training effect becomes increasinly slow after reaching the soft cap. Maybe JosefKa with his data could provide some insight in this (and technically speaking the hard cap is just a special case of the soft cap with the training factor reaching 0).

Would be interesting to know if after reaching the soft cap there´s a "one-time hit" in speed (such as 1/10 of the age / size limitations) or if the development over the soft cap is still a function of potential reaching 0 at some point.

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 9/11/2012 4:28:15 PM

I´m not sure why the system should use a "hard cap" when the soft cap mechanism (and the age factor) will sooner or later limit the players skills theoretically anyways.

Maybe because BBs wanted to prevent that a low potential player like 6th man could be trained until star or even allstar? Granted, it would probably take 7+ seasons, but it could be done.

Actually I´d see that as a plus to the game.

I always thought that if a player has 15.4 in OD, he defends like that and not like 15.0. At least it's the most logical thinking. If his level of skill is anywhere between 15.0 and 15.9, but he always plays like his OD is at 15.0, that could be really bad from BBs.

One of the most interesting things to me is the chart for JS forwards. If the graph is accurate (I'll get back to this later), this would make it significantly easier to train short players in IS. Compare what a 6' 18 year old would get in two weeks of training:

One week IS center + one week JS guard 6' 18yo:
.60 JS
.44 IS
.16 JR
.07 HA/DR
.04 ID
Total of 1.31 pops (counting HA/DR as half each)

Two weeks JS forward training 6' 18yo:
.74 JS
.68 IS
.12 JR
Total 1.54 pops with more to difficult IS

As to the accuracy, I'm really curious what people who are more familiar with the database have to say. From what people have said in this thread it seems like it could be either way. The IS data for short players is probably exaggerated to a certain degree because shorter player will have lower IS on average, but it is hard to doubt that JS-forward training gives a good amount of IS.

You are not taking into account elastic effect,
the fact that the shorter 18 year old guys are almost always starting out with terrible inside skills,
thus, they will tend to pop faster at first.
I have a SG that popped 3 times in a row at Passing because he started out weak compared to his other skills.
Same goes for IS