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Left alone to tank?

please watch out your comment. i understood where you coming from, but this guy is our most sincere countryman.

Puerto Rico 4 user, Dominican republic like 2, Jamaica I think has 10, These are the types of nations that simply need to be ANNEXED into the largest nearby country. And with the really small fry's I don't think those players will be putting up protest.

But the more vibrant yet still small communities have let their voice be heard. And they don't want to have their identities taken away.

I backtrack from my complete opposition to restructuring micro's, some consolidation is needed, but there has to be care to do it right.

When I played with my first team starting from season 7 or something we still had four divisions where there were many new teams you could compete with relatively fast even as a newcomer.

Today, the case is that we have third divisions consisting of bots, very experienced players with good teams and new teams. It takes a lot of time for those new players to reach the level where they can seriously compete with the elite of their league, and I'm positive this situation is what often makes them leave the game - crushing the bots and getting equally crushed by the older teams most likely gets quite boring quickly.

Thus, in my opinion, some kind of merging of the leagues wouldn't be a bad thing. Additionally the competitive spirit between us Scandinavians could bring more joy to the game. Obviously though, this is only my own opinion, and I don't represent the entire country.

Thus, in my opinion, some kind of merging of the leagues wouldn't be a bad thing. Additionally the competitive spirit between us Scandinavians could bring more joy to the game. Obviously though, this is only my own opinion, and I don't represent the entire country.

This is great to hear. The BB's should ask all the Scandinavian countries if they would be willing to merge. I think explaining the reason for it is in order for everyone to be able to play someone their own level, would make it easier for everyone to see it with their good eye. Through understanding and empathy, I think we will find a way to get along. Especially if we can beat you while doing it ;) (the competitive spirit between us Scandinavians)

If the competitiors are too strong for new teams, one of the main issues is the size of the league. New users join, lose a few games by a huuuuuge margin, are discouraged (because they can't buy players) and have to spend like 2 real years to catch up.

I think bigger nations lost less users (relatively) because the gap between the worst established teams and newbies is smaller. If you join in Austria you can expect to get beat by teams like mine, by 50-60 points for a few seasons. You could advertise as much as you want, as long as this leak isnt plugged we wont see a significant trend upwards.

Again....how many users are potentially joining BB Austria per year??? Not enough!
Even if we would keep all of those new users playing.....we are losing more on the "old" teams side!

So the solution of the declining user base is what?!? Merging? NO. Maybe spend some dollars on advertising? Maybe YES.

So far I think I have seen only one or two suggestions that have all of the following attributes:

1. Every team retains its national identity and retains its flag.
2. Every country could continue in BBB.
3. Every country would continue to have its own forum.
4. Countries that do not want to merge with each other would not have to do that.
5. Every world would have a full Division 1, 2 and 3 at least, and probably a full Division 4.
6. The competitive and financial advantages and disadvantages of playing in a macro country or a micro country would be completely evened out.

I think all of those are essential to the health of BB and should be the minimum standard for any change.

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Last edited by Mike Franks at 4/12/2016 6:17:33 PM

Some additional features I consider good but not deal breakers:

7. Every team could retain its own history.
8. The drafts could continue as they do now, making it easy for Marin to put better players in the draft and have it apply to everyone evenly.
9. Private Leagues could become more important to the game as they showcase teams of the same country.
10. New teams from any country would have an equal opportunity at the start.
11. Competition would be between relatively equal teams at the start (but of course some might improve and some might decline).

These are all true of the suggestions I was thinking of in my post immediately above.

Last edited by Mike Franks at 4/12/2016 6:16:46 PM

Looks like we (the micro nation users) are the bad guys. I remember that when I joined to BB, Colombia had more than 150 users. I began to play in a III division. My point is that it isn't our fault that some users get bored.

But, I still believe in a better competition. So, if the merge solves the current economic issues, it's have to be done. I only want that the lower divisions be filled with users with the same nationality.