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14900.327 in reply to 14900.323
Date: 2/12/2009 4:20:12 PM
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first, thanks for the long awaited opinion :)

my doubts about garbage time system are general and not only about the exceptional games like this one. but if you red the thread about it in suggestions forum, you already heard mine and others objections, so i will not repeat them here (until someone asks me to).

i just find unreal to hope for my adversary to score when i'm leading by 21 at the end of 3rd, because i know that if he does 4th quarter will be much less risky for me :)

Garbage time is something that we've believed pretty strongly in, and I would expect to see many complaints about star players being injured while ahead 50 points in the 4th quarter if we took it out.


just a quick note: optional garbage time would work fine with this kind of problems, let players decide if they wanna risk a loss/small win or a injury.

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14900.329 in reply to 14900.323
Date: 2/12/2009 4:51:43 PM
AS Barroom Heroes
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Thanks for your reply.

Nobody is suggesting removing garbage time completely. You will agree however that there are numerous ways to make this rule a bit more "flexible" (as some others have already suggested), or at least make the AI react a bit more promptly to what is going on on the court.

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14900.330 in reply to 14900.329
Date: 2/12/2009 5:25:24 PM
Freccia Azzurra
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I love garbage and thrash metal too

In order to avoid to lose game due to garbage time, try to buy some good players as substitutes ;)

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Date: 2/12/2009 6:17:08 PM
Le Cotiche
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i think the main problem with the garbage time as it works now is the behaviour of the coach once the leadership margin starts to decrease
he should be much faster to react, calling timeouts if necessary

Last edited by mark_lenders at 2/12/2009 6:18:08 PM

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14900.332 in reply to 14900.331
Date: 2/12/2009 6:25:05 PM
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Perhaps you have a crappy coach? Maybe you have a Randy Wittman or Isiah Thomas?

I always careful select my subs and my rotation and what my coach is allowed to do. If you coach more, your androidian doppelganger will coach less.

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Date: 2/12/2009 6:32:49 PM
Le Cotiche
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i always give as much freedom as possible to the coach
however can that influence the way he handles garbage time? if i can't give him any instruction about garbage time how he's supposed to follow them?

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Date: 2/12/2009 6:44:24 PM
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Looking at the game in question, garbage time was not so much the culprit behind the loss. The eventual losing team was up by 10 points with 33 seconds left when the starting shooting guard decided over the next 33 seconds to: 1) miss 4 free throws; 2) allow 2 three-pointers; 3) foul the opposing shooting guard on a three-point attempt and 4) miss the game winning shot at the buzzer. Really just one of those one in a million games ...

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Date: 2/12/2009 6:49:05 PM
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The depth chart.

I mean, my understanding is that the coach plays your backups during garbage time right?

So my rotation is set up so I have a starter or two out there, or I have a guy that could easily start, come off my bench instead. OR maybe I do both. Maybe I can talk to machines? Maybe I like smoked gouda a little too much...

I was the defensive coordinator of our base football team in the Marine Corps. I learned a lot from our center, who not only anchored our line but also knew the game and how to use personnel very well. We played both ways and our team was half the size of other teams. We actually hadn't won a game in two years before the year I joined. (ahem) Well, and him...

He was a massive brooding Hawaiian and his hands were so big they could squash my narrow skull like a warm grape. I learned a lot from him and apply that knowledge to everything. Because everything is connected.

MLK said, I cannot be me until you are you. Something like that...

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Date: 2/12/2009 7:06:03 PM
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The depth chart.

I mean, my understanding is that the coach plays your backups during garbage time right?

So my rotation is set up so I have a starter or two out there, or I have a guy that could easily start, come off my bench instead. OR maybe I do both.


I agree with this and use it myself often. Sometimes I actually pull away farther because my shooters get minutes, and my defensive guys go to the bench.

However,

Looking ahead and hearing from players in higher divisions, I am betting it becomes exponentially more difficult to have a strong bench in relation to your starters, and still be competitive at that higher (est) level. Not sure, havent been there, but I scout alot :)

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Date: 2/12/2009 7:11:58 PM
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I scout more than Daniel Day Lewis! I agree, but for us, for now, we can do whatever we want cause we kinda suck.


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