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-really good teams have high passing on their SG, SF, etc. These players will in essence "steal" assists from the PG.

What do you mean here? Is enough to have one/two great assistman per team or you're saying that tall of them are giving their contribution? Taking as example a team with lvl 20 in reb for every single player, do you think that this team will take 200 rebounds? My opinion is that there is a limit in the numbers of assists and really if you've great players with high passage probably you've wasted some more useful training but I still don't know which could be the best compromise. What do you think about it?

I think the only limit on rebounds is the number of missed shots. So you have 20 rebounding on all players, that doesn't mean you will get 200 rebounds. It just means that if there are 120 missed shots you'll probably get 100 of them. (just random numbers)

My opinion is that there is a limit in the numbers of assists

You will not see me disagree there. It is why a SG or SF with high passing can "steal" assists.

and really if you've great players with high passage probably you've wasted some more useful training but I still don't know which could be the best compromise. What do you think about it?

I don't think passing (or handling) is wasted on any player - and that goes right down to your PF and C. They may "steal" assists and make your PG look worse than he is. But better passes all around means better quality looks. And that means more baskets for your team at the end of the day.

Yes of course it was an example but what I wanna say is that having 5 players lvl 20 in passage imho doesn't mean that you will make 100 assists at the end of the match.

I agree with that.
However, I bet if you had 5 players with level 20 in passing, driving and jumpshot and inside shot and jump range and rebounding, and they were playing in div 5 in a weak league against the weakest team then they would get 100 assists :D hahahaha

Last edited by Naker Virus at 8/30/2010 3:18:08 PM

Its really important to have good passing on PG-SG-SF.

Correction (my opinion): It's really important to have good passing in all positions :))

I understand the reasons for PGs not picking up that many assists - the difficulty of training, the quality of a pass not being good enough according to the GE, etc.

Personally I like PGs in basketball - players like Rondo, Nash, Stockton are like having a coach on the floor during offence. It would be nice if there was a way of playing that could replicate the power of the PG in this game and make him the orchestrator on offence - so he needn't score points or even be a great shooter but run the show as a pure PG.

Those PGs who have got far enough to get to around 8 assists or above with 14+ passing in this game have terrible shooting % even with sensational JS, proficient JR and importantly proficient+ experience. There's a few such players on the TL who are averaging 29-40% from the field even when they have big men on their team with over 50% shooting. Such poor decision making at the point? Is there a basketball logic to this?

Check out these two games for some decision making at the point. (23028854) & (23234211)

You can have a good assistman with lvl 9 but the condition is that the rest of your players have lvl 3 or lower, that's the main point. If you've one lvl 15 and two lvl 13 hardly you'll have an high assists number

Those PGs who have got far enough to get to around 8 assists or above with 14+ passing in this game have terrible shooting % even with sensational JS, proficient JR and importantly proficient+ experience. There's a few such players on the TL who are averaging 29-40% from the field even when they have big men on their team with over 50% shooting. Such poor decision making at the point? Is there a basketball logic to this?

you will maybe not miss that much assist when you play another PG without his passing skill, but you will definately miss a lot of points when your PG is a weak passer.
Maybe his effort isn't reflected good in the stats, but in the game i could say you for sure that there are "courtleaders" at the PG spot, and when you are used to european "Assist"(who have higher standards)

maybe another reason would be that those things, ain't happen in a simulation:

"The Jazz guys were pretty open about their liberalities. ... John Stockton averaged 10 assists. Is that legit? It's legit because they entered it. If he's another guy, would he get 10? Probably not.""
...
"though the habit of fudging statistics upward was practically an organizational, if not leaguewide, imperative."
...
"Note that he recorded 50 steals in Vancouver and 29 elsewhere, and that he blocked more than three times as many shots at home as he did on the road. Today, as he calls up the numbers on his computer, Alex laughs. He sounds almost embarrassed. "The blocks," he says, "are atrocious.""

http://deadspin.com/5345287/the-confessions-of-an-nba-sco...

This is also a intresting story:
http://deadspin.com/5336974/how-an-nba-scorekeeper-cooked... - the making of an Assist rekord for Nick van Excel(it is also linked in the previous article)


Last edited by CrazyEye at 8/31/2010 12:40:01 PM