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175235.33 in reply to 175235.32
Date: 2/22/2011 6:22:31 AM
Koopasaurus
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Korver should never be a starter, he doesn't defend well enough to warrant starter minutes. As proven with is time with the 76ers and the Jazz.

The Bulls however are trying to get JR Smith or Rasual Butler. Neither are starters but can share the SG/SF spot with Deng, Korver and Brewer.

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175235.34 in reply to 175235.33
Date: 2/22/2011 7:21:19 AM
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woops I meant Jordan hill not grant hill... lol he is a beast even at 37 ;)

and iwen how do you know billups doesnt fit in the system when he havent even done it?

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175235.35 in reply to 175235.34
Date: 2/22/2011 7:39:34 AM
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He's too old and slow, it's a pretty fair statement.

He will also be near untradeable at 14 mill x 2 years (and what, 37? at the end)

And I like the guy! and his game, he's just not suited to the knicks offense with a 7 man rotation over the course of a season. Might be ok for the playoffs but it would be hard.

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Date: 2/22/2011 3:14:59 PM
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Three things here from me

1 - Everyone gets hung up on Carmellos scoring but he plays NO D AT ALL. Just like Amare - they won't be winning squat anytime soon even if they managed to land Chris Paul.

2- When Miami & Boston put together their big threes they both got elite defenders in the deal (Garnett & LeBron) as well as a 2nd guy who was decent (Pierce & Wade). NY has none of this. The bench depth will come in the offseason or NY but it won't really matter. D'Antoni is a very good offensive coach. He has managed to make NY the 2nd highest scoring team in the league........but he does nothing on D - they concede the most points. Amare and Carmello play right into this.

3- I think they will take a dive this season as they now have lost their best spot up shooter in Gallinari (crusical to D'Antoni's system) and the 2 biggest acquisitions(Melo & Billups) are not great at playing the pick and roll which is Amare's bread and butter.

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175235.37 in reply to 175235.36
Date: 2/22/2011 6:40:58 PM
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Bang on Noodles.

Billups is a great PG, no doubt. In fact, he would be a perfect acquisition for the Lakers as he'd fit the triangle perfectly. He's great at running offenses and being a 3pt threat. He's never been an athletic guy nor that fast, pick and roll just isn't his thing. Amare needs the pick and roll to get his 15-20 points a game. You can't give him the ball at the low post and let him do his work, he just can't.

Melo is a great scorer no doubt, but does most of his scoring via isolations either from the perimeter or in the high post. He doesn't defend as well. The problem now is with the Knicks offense, which essentially is pick and roll / drive - kick, you will have to alter that and allow for Melo to do his work. Melo isn't a great spot up shooter like Ray Allen. He needs the ball in his hands to score. Since he never really plays pick and rolls... what's Amare gonna do? Felton looked amazing in the Knicks offense cause the way he plays suits the Knicks. Much like Nash would be awesome for the Knicks. Now he's traded someone where Pick and Roll isn't played much, he won't be useful anymore...

They won't get Paul because they don't have the cap space nor the assets to trade for him or acquire him as a free agent. He'd have to accept around $10m to play for the Knicks, not even he's that desperate, especially if you could be earning $17m-$20m elsewhere, the money is just too much to pass up.

All up, the only people that think this trade is a good thing for the Knicks are delusional Knicks fans who are blinded by the bright lights and uninformed people who think basketball is all about points and stats.

The Knicks lost some players with real good upsides in Chandler, Gallinari, Randolph and Mozgov. The best thing they did was drop Curry's contract. That's about it. Oh, and they'll get a boost in hype and marketing... But no D, no championship.

From: iwen

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175235.38 in reply to 175235.37
Date: 2/22/2011 6:51:45 PM
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Here's the sweetener. If Knicks didn't land Carmelo, they would have approx $30m in cap space come 2012 free agency, enough to get Paul or Williams AND Howard.

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Date: 2/22/2011 7:05:29 PM
Koopasaurus
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dwight is going to LA, just like what shaq DID hehehe
the comedian cant say no to hollywood.

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175235.40 in reply to 175235.38
Date: 2/22/2011 7:11:52 PM
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It took me a long time to find the post but:

Instead of isolating him all night, the Nuggets had Carmelo Anthony stand in the corner while they ran pick-and-rolls and post-ups that drew his defender into the lane. The result: A huge scoring night for Anthony, and an easy win for Denver. This approach could probably also add years to his career thanks to reduced wear and tear.

http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/01/24/nuggets-play-to-carmelo-anthonys-strengths-against-pacers/

This is also the guy who was shooting a ridiculous percentage at the olympics etc while essentially just spotting up. The guy can shoot! It might work ok on the offensive end (at least, for him).

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175235.41 in reply to 175235.40
Date: 2/22/2011 7:32:38 PM
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its no secret that carmelo can shoot, hes one of the best offensive players in the world atm. i rate him second just a nose behind kobe

1. kobe
2. carmelo (a very close second)

problem for the nicks now is getting players to surround the big two with, maybe shane battier or something lol

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175235.42 in reply to 175235.41
Date: 2/22/2011 8:58:51 PM
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Battier would be nice addition - as would pretty much anyone else who can play D and pass and doesn't really care about stats cos lets face it after Melo and Amare get their shots there isn't going to be that many left.

The bloke i would really love to see in D'Antoni's system is Kevin Love.

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175235.43 in reply to 175235.42
Date: 2/22/2011 9:44:54 PM
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knocks on billups and melo in Antoni's system...

1. Billups is too slow and cant run pick and roll... isnt pick and roll designed for slower, less athletic guard? do you think steve nash is the fastest person in the world... he probably has the same speed as derek fisher... I dont know if you guys remember billups in piston where he basically run pick and roll on big plays and do a fadeaway 3 which is unblockable...

2. Gallinari is a big part of the offense... really?! so carmelo is an inferior shooter to gallinari? in fact melo is a much better spot up shooter and can take it to the rack when defender start cramping which gallinari cant do!

3. no defense from melo... so knicks is one of the best defensive team around...? antoni have never relied on defense and he never will...

if you want to blame then blame the D'antoni's system not the players... putting a great defensive player in a system that only value offense will only lessen the value of that particular player. you guys think that defense is a single player thing even tough its a team thing, if you have the best defensive player and his teammates dont play defense then the other team will score quite easily...

I am not a knicks fan but I think they definately got a better deal than nuggets, they gave away only 3 terrible picks... 2014, knicks could be a contender by then so... and 2 second rounds...

I dont understand what is all the fuss made over a few average starter... Gallinari is not as great of a 3pt shooter as everyone made him out to be anyways 34%, only grabbing 4 rebs despite his 6'10 height.

mognov = undrafted guy and because he run the floor?! wth... who the hell cant run the floor, just a coaching instruction... even thabeet can play better than this guy, he is just there for the size

chandler is the only good guy nuggets got... he is a solid starter that might or might not be a great starter, never going to be a superstar... he is 23 or 24... been a "great" player that might break out for many seasons now but he never has.

Randolph = unproven as I said before due to limited minutes

felton = an average guard turn good by the system, and to all you people who thinks that he is a much better than billups and billups cant run an offense just because he might be slower... two words - get real!
and steve nash... felton was terrible in the playoffs btw...


to all the people who think they are best buds with Carmelo and "knows" he wont just stay with nuggets or sign with another team then I cant be bothered... knicks isnt the only option, he could have take a pay cut and join the heat, join Magics where howard eats amare for breakfast if they matchup...

edit: lawson is starting over felton... what does that say about felton? oh btw felton isnt the most athletic of guards either...

Last edited by SplitJ at 2/22/2011 9:48:52 PM

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