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Basically you will get 6 Small Forwards, which is not a bad thing. It will take quite some time, but if it's any worth to you, then nobody can say anything against that. However, I want you to know that differences between divisions are big. For example in my country where D.IV is the bottom division, there is quite a big difference between D.IV and D.III, while difference between D.III and D.II is even bigger. Difference between D.II and D.IV is of course huge. What is enough to do in D.V may not be enough to keep up with D.IV or even D.III opponents. By the time you get to D.IV, you will create 6 nice players that can keep you in D.IV, but nothing more. If you'll want to promote out of D.IV, you will suddenly realize that those 6 Small Forwards are good backups, but nothing more, and that you need really good starters that you either trained (but you didn't, since you trained only good backups) or buy the whole starting roster, which again takes a lot of time.

I just want you to know that when you lay down a training plan, you have to envision where you want to be in 3, 4 or 5 seasons and where your players' skills will be in that time. For example: If you want to be in D.III in 5 seasons, take few average D.III teams and look at salaries of their players. You will get an idea of what players you will have to make in order to get there.

Btw, my 20y old trainee received 39 pops until now. I expect him to get three more until start of next season, so that makes it exactly 14 a season. If you will train lots of 1 on 1 which gives more pops than others, you will get your 10-11 pops/season. But if you will train lots of OD, JR, IS, ID and PA, you will get 7-9 pops per season MAX. Also because you will train tall players in guard skills and small players in big men skills. Do you know that a 20y old and 190 cm tall trainee needs appr. 3-4 weeks for a Rebound pop?

A guy fell in love with his trainee. Trained the hell out of him, and he was in the second division in my country (Slovenia is similar, a few more managers, one division more, but not a gaping difference). The guy would reach, according to his words, 240k as a 22-year-old next season. He managed to sell it well as the player tops the list of 21-year-old SGs in BB right now. The guy from your league bankrupted.

It seems like what I mean by "good training" differs from your meaning. You are probably talking about Dado Beštija (btw, great second name, he really is a beast). Dado is exactly something a guy from D.V shouldn't do and what probably you had in mind when you said to OP he shouldn't train one-position. Let me take a guess here and say Dado's owner trained him in JR, OD and JS only. Is that right? Dado has great JS, JR and OD, but no Passing (well it's probably Average or Respectable, but for a guy with 84k salary still not good enough). He's a one-dimensional player. Put a guy with OD 16 in front of him and he will crumble. Salary is not the only estimation we can make about a player.

Btw, his salary is so high also because he has high rebounding (probably Respectable) and this makes a huge difference.

They forced training, not you who have your mentioned player. I have one too, he's now 20 and his projected salary for the next season is at 42k. But his first training this season was two weeks after the All-Star break. So how come you're forcing and I'm not, and we have two players with identical salaries, and I'm the one who doesn't know to train properly?

Now I don't exactly know anymore what you mean by "forcing". Your player has also high Rebounding (probably Mediocre or Average, if not even Respectable) which again makes a great difference. He probably hasn't received much Passing training, if at all. My player has Pitiful Rebounding and has very balanced guard skills, which in my opinion is key to make a good player and to keep his salary from reaching the sky. So your guy can shoot. Mine can too. Can he pass? Is he any good in inside tactics or is he good only for Run and Gun and Motion?

Have you ever been in D.V? It's full of bots, as you have only 650 users in your country. I know our D.IV is full of bots and we have 580 users, you can't be fifth even if you wanted. Get three 5k players on your team, and you will be a contender, depending on other few managers.

I've been in D.IV for a season and a half and half of the teams were bots. You can't even relegate from D.IV because there are only bots in D.V. Yes, you can get three 5k plaers on your team and win the championship. But can you compete later in D.III without spending a lot?

Last edited by Koperboy at 10/19/2011 8:50:15 AM

My main thing is this, with Two Position Training you can get 6 Players up to 70-80% of what One Position Training would give 3 guys. So not as fast, but not slow. Guards do benefit froms certain Big Skills and Bigs do benefit from certain Guard Skills, so swapping them during the Scrimmage for a 48 Minute (for the most out of position players) Game and then working the more well rounded players in as Back Ups in the trained Position can get me 6 players really close to or actually at 48 Minutes played a week, barring Foul Outs and Injuries.

You should instead consider having 5 guys that you consider real trainees and a sixth guy that can soak up the extra minutes if any exist. One of the benefits of the two position route is that it is quite possible to not have to play any of your players 48 minutes in a single game, but the only way to get six guys full training is to play every one of them a full 48.

But what you definitely should do is pick exactly five guys if you're going to do this, and have them be trainees, and then everyone else should be more of the cheap veteran add-on types. What you never, ever want to do is have a roster with 9 or 10 high potential young guys spread out over every position, since you're squandering their value.

The hope is that if One Position Training is to net 14 Pops (on average) for 3 players (42 Pops) then maybe my method can produce 10 pops for 6 players (60 Pops) thus improving the TEAM more over the first full season of training that I get. Even if I can only produce 8 Pops each, that is still 48 Pops.

That's a fine way of looking at it. And in the USA at least, you can definitely 2-position train guys that can help you survive in a IV league when you do promote.

The guy who owned Dado Beštija is from my league, just the opposite conference. He's not from D.IV, he's from D.II, that is a huge difference. And yes, very bad training plan got him where it got him; he indefatigably trained JR, which I don't recommend, the same way I don't recommend having JS higher than JR+3.

My player against his high defence (I think it's 18) shot 0-12, I think, but it wasn't Dado's night as well, my player is only 13 in OD -- Dado scored only four in 35 or so minutes. Yes, my guy has respectable rebounding, which, I agree, boosts up the salary, and that is all of his inside skills. No IS, no ID, no BS, only rebounding, and that is enough for me. I plan on never training his inside skills! And this is enough for me, I'm not aiming for the National Team, because that's nonsense, having a player that would be used only by your National Team coach (who is a bastard). I was talking about Dado's example, from a wonderful talent he grew into a useless player. Training should be easy, none of the players should fluff up like a bottle brush (R. Kipling)

--Yes, you can get three 5k players on your team and win the championship. But can you compete later in D.III without spending a lot?-- Yes, you can. I got promoted from D.III and I only had this trainee, who was 19 at the time, an older 25k SG, and an older 26k center whom I bought before the Play-offs. But after the promotion, you must enhance your team on all positions, which I did to remain in D.II.

Edit: If your guy is Dean Pholh, or something like that, he has 3.4 rebounds per game, which is more than 2.8 from my player. He must have some good rebounding too.

Last edited by LaCross at 10/19/2011 2:54:04 PM

--Yes, you can get three 5k players on your team and win the championship. But can you compete later in D.III without spending a lot?-- Yes, you can. I got promoted from D.III and I only had this trainee, who was 19 at the time, an older 25k SG, and an older 26k center whom I bought before the Play-offs. But after the promotion, you must enhance your team on all positions, which I did to remain in D.II.

That's what I'm talking about...if you promote out of USA D.V with 5k guys and end up in D.IV, you have to enhance your team with a lot of good players. And for that, you have to have some money.

Edit: If your guy is Dean Pholh, or something like that, he has 3.4 rebounds per game, which is more than 2.8 from my player. He must have some good rebounding too.

I was talking about Polh, yes. I don't know if ball falls into his hands or what, but he's pretty good with Pitiful (2) rebounding. However, most of the season I didn't have good rebounders, so maybe that's why.

--Yes, you can get three 5k players on your team and win the championship. But can you compete later in D.III without spending a lot?-- Yes, you can. I got promoted from D.III and I only had this trainee, who was 19 at the time, an older 25k SG, and an older 26k center whom I bought before the Play-offs. But after the promotion, you must enhance your team on all positions, which I did to remain in D.II.

That's what I'm talking about...if you promote out of USA D.V with 5k guys and end up in D.IV, you have to enhance your team with a lot of good players. And for that, you have to have some money.

You don't need a lot of huge players to survive in IV, though, in the USA. You do need to have enough money to get some decent veterans at the non-training positions, though.

You don't need a lot of huge players to survive in IV, though, in the USA. You do need to have enough money to get some decent veterans at the non-training positions, though.

Yes, that's the problem - non training positions. Those who are training outside players can get big men for cheap. Those who train big men though...good outside players are quite expensive for a D.IV team. Especially because if you are training outside players, you need two inside ones. However if you train inside players, you need three outside ones...unless you put a PF on SF position.

Starting to train players who are already 21 won't go very fast. Like has been mentioned.. if you really want to train a player then get an nice 18 yr old with good potential and do mostly one position training. You are in D.V and there should be no reason that you can't promote within the next season or two. And once you get to D.IV your current players will be horrible even if you "train" them as you planned. Your best bet would be to buy players some players, since you should be able to get way better players that what you have for a reasonable price. Trust us.. We've all been down in the lower division and if you want to get to higher divisions where there is actually competition, then your current players won't help much.

By the way there is no single position training for PF, only for C.

Are you sure?

Just to let you know, you are the 41st poster here in the Dirk Nowitzki thread :)