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If you have equal weekly salary and one team play li and another play rng with players suits to these tactics, what do you think, which win most of matches beetween their?

I answer - this team which is build for li. I hate it, but in iii legue where we use 50k players maybe it is possible. But in first not, because of cheap is for guards and too big cost of jr for example.

I know. But then my opponents will use every game, against me .

My team is really affected with this GDP. It iìs because my only 2nd season. I dont have enough funds to buy versatile players, I really mean players that can play either outside or inside, fast or slow pace. I'm also like other's who use only 1 tactic, it's because it is the most appropriate tactic base on characteristic of my team. But with this new rule, I can't do this anymore. Every game, I have to plan what tactics must I used, and it must be unpredictable. For other teams who have enough funds, they can live with this. But for newbies?

I'm also planning in future that my team may develop into typical european/asian team, that can play efficient run and gun game. But with this new rule, I must change my plan. I must now build a team of versatile players, that can play outside and inside. This is even more expensive. Would you imagine how much would cost a center who has a prolific jumpshot? or a shooting guard with a tremendous inside shot?? I really can't immagine!?

I highly recommend mixing it up here and there, even though your strongest offense is PTB.
Sure, you may be worse in the other offense, but if you opponents will always pick GDP on PTB, then you'll have an advantage using the alternate offense. Then, when you come back to using PTB, your opponents may not guess at all, since you're unpredictable, and also, if they guess wrong when you're using PTB, you'll really have an advantage.

Last edited by Iguanadon Joe at 1/22/2014 1:20:17 PM

maybe if they are playing both man to man defense, the LI would win. I stil dont know, but maybe there's a chance if you dont play in the phase of LI. Maybe instead of RNG,try Lowpost, inside isolation, or princeton, or patient. use 2-3 zone defense. at least all 5 players have good inside defense, good shot blocking, good rebounding. maybe there might be a chance if you have a good densive team.

If you think you are at a disadvantage because of GDP it may be slightly true. i am also a fairly new user too but i love the GDP feature it allows me to have a better chance in winning tougher games. try playing two totally opposite offenses so they will never be able to guess you. (Run n gun, patient).
The reason you may be loosing your games is probably not because of GDP. It probably because of you (very) bad Game shape.

I like the GDP because it not only ends LI domination, but it ends the chance of any single tactic being played by almost every team.

Well, the impact is not bigger than gameshape and enthusiasm impact.

Take a look at my today's game (68613887)
-My team 144k salaries his almost 300k
-He guessed my LI exactly, I didn't make prediction
-He played crunch
-I played TIE
-I had a trainee getting 48 min

Enth, GS and HCA made all the difference. I had 11 he had less than 5

Last edited by Aleksandar at 1/23/2014 1:20:46 PM

I've read almost all of this thread, and it's all NONSENSE. "paper, siccsors", "prediction", that this is not "real basketball", etc, etc. And all this to complain about GDP and the ultra super powers GDP seems to give a team.

I think on-the-mark calculation about the plus-Xs GDP gives you takes more than a couple of weeks. In my league, and leagues around my country I've explored, you have the full arc of examples: people who had the right GDP prediction and lost by little, by a lot, or won by a little or by a lot. Like someone here said previously, things like game shape, enthusiasm and stamina play A LOT BIGGER a rol than GDP. If you read some forums around, or get in touch with Josef Ka's work about BB, or if you're just a good observer, you could identify that a game shape of 5 gives you something like a 0.45 multiplier to your player's skills, compared to a game shape of 9. That alone can make your typical starter go from a rating of 12, 13 for 30+ mins in a game to a rating of 9 or even 8. If you spot an opponent with a starter in this game shape hole and you design your offensive to target this player, you bet you will have a good game, regardless of GDP. You see: if you predict GDP right, but your squad doesn't have the game shape, enthusiasm and stamina to work the plan or the prediction, it doesn't matter if you were correct. So there's that.

Second: to this manager complaining about GDP because it forces him to be versatile, you know what's realistic: to adapt to changes made. That's very realistic. I will give you one "real" example: in the 2003-2004 NBA season the Commishioner introduced the no-hand- check rule. And what players did? All players, good players, bad players, borderline 12th-man players, they all adapted and went along. Obviously, the players that made a living for being "good" defenders abusing the hand check [and here you could put many other examples, like palming the ball -guys like Iverson or Damon Stoudamire-, jumping into a straight-elevated defender to get a foul call while shooting, clear-path fouls when there wasn't clear-path rule, etc] all the time, those guys were not very happy. But you adapt, man. You can read the recent Kobe Bryant interview when he says he "hates finesse NBA of today", yes, of course. And we all know that MJ in his prime could average 40, 50 points in today's NBA, where someone whispers at you and that's a foul.

All this to say: YOU ADAPT. Or you go to NBDL. Train some dudes, make them all around. Your pivot doesn't have jump shot? Train it to him. He's to old? Get a young guy with pivot skills and train him in jump shot. You can't play fast because of stamina? Get stamina training. Etc, etc.

To just sit here and complain that the designers of this game are not pleasing your appetite is the least intelligent thing to do. We all have appetites. But when we play this game, we agree to adapt our appetites to the game, and not just the other way around. Otherwise, we just stop playing. The BBs and the developing dudes, of course, will try to please most of the community, but they also have a concept of the game. A concept of the experience of the game. I wouldn't be surprised if a glicht or two are unpopular.

So relax, man. If you like this game, read some forums, chat with some managers, ask for advice, scout your opponents, get the training going. That, instead of whining about GDP, will get your team going.

And if you still insist with all this "prediction" cry, well, what can I say? Try Monopoly. They have dice!

thanks to all of you. but i am beginning to lose interest into this game, i am really disappointed with GDP. Like I said before, I just wanted to play with my strongest strategy possible both in offense and defense, but playing with your true offense will seem to be penalize. I try to build my team, selected my players, base on my offense, push the ball, and base on my defense, 3-2 zone, but sad to say i cannot play like i used to be, i must always think of what will be my strategy next game or my opponent may guess my offense, this things really pisses me off. It hurts when you realize that they implement this GDP just for because LI is too powerful tactic, the more it pisses me off. Instead of trying to fix this problem, they introduce another system which is for me, absurb, using guessing/prediction for having bonus, now instead of trying to think of what appropriate defensive strategy to beat others, to beat LI, many will rely more, solely on man to man defense, and gdp.

Today I beat an opponent who use LI and whose rank is near me, without relying on GDP and despite of having a bad game shape. I don't really agree that GDP is the solution for LI dominance.

We can't change the game for anybody threatening to not renew Supporter, leave the game, maybe buy Supporter, because they want that one little thing. We can try to explain, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

yep. right on target.

and we as plain and simple average-joe managers try to encourage managers to stay and discover new things or challenges into the game, so that way we can get more people, more competitive guys to participate, not to mention that humans can train dudes, and bots can't, hehe.

but... what can you do.

cheers!

Like I said before, I just wanted to play with my strongest strategy possible both in offense and defense, but playing with your true offense will seem to be penalize. I try to build my team, selected my players, base on my offense, push the ball, and base on my defense, 3-2 zone, but sad to say i cannot play like i used to be, i must always think of what will be my strategy next game or my opponent may guess my offense, this things really pisses me off.

I wouldn't give up so quickly. There's still plenty of fun to be had, and if you're allowing your team to be crippled by playing your starters 120 minutes a week and therefore have terrible GS, and playing against similar teams with crappy GS and who don't bother to use the GDP much anyhow, it shouldn't be a concern. The best thing I can suggest is that you can take of it like I did in Hattrick after some time - just try to put together a club that puts up the best ratings in whatever it is you want to do and not care about the results. Perhaps that'll be the motivation to keep you active and to figure out that all the GDP stuff in the world doesn't matter if you can't keep your guys from playing 120 minutes a week.