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started to read this tread just minutes ago, and stopped reading after 2 of the 3 reactions you got where not in your favor.

Truth is I am too tired to read it all. But I can say a few things of my own:

yes I somethimes find it hard to pick a training for the past week, especially if something went wrong in the trainingminutes (which happens a lot). So I too sometimes yearn for more options.
I can't say if it will be better or worse, I also think that will only be clear after a while.

What I do know is that either way it evolves, it will be the same for everyone.

I don't think the training system is bad right now, so I'm not sure it needs changing. I do know that a change could possibly improve it , and that there always is a small chance it is not improved, or even gets less good.

But I am in favor of not changing it.
Here's my reasons: since it is good (or if you like then read: not bad). And changing it will affect players, and therefor managers. Managers who build up something in this system will get an advantage or disadvantage if something changes, this can not be undone, in some cases the effect is bigger, in others the effect is so minimal it isn't noticed, but one way or an other, managers will get either an advantage or a disadvantage out of a change. So since it is already good, I don't think BB should hand out advantages and disadvantages, depending on the choices made by managers already.
Imagine a manager for example who put a lot of money and time into training small forwards, who just achieved his goal and will now start working his other players. Imagine the loss he would lead by this change. The other way around, in the same league there was this manager who trained centers all the time, and can now easely switch to sf. I think we both know which one is going to drop out of the league next season. this example is too black and white, but still I hope I explained why I favour doing noting.

and finally:

Sure, one can train Pressure for PG-SG-SF and Inside Defense for SF-PF-C… Have you tried it? Do you know how long it takes to see a pop? Five to six weeks is not out of the picture, even on young players.

yes, I actually did this a lot, and still am doing it, and I like the results as well.
I am a manager who chose not to focus on 1 position and then sell excess players and by players for my other positions, but I try to bring my whole team up in a balanced way. And so far I seem to have managed to do that. And as long as it works, I choose to keep doing that, because I find it more fun.
In Hattrick I am forced to pick 1 training and keep it for seasons in order to be able to make enough money, and I don't like it. So as long as I can have variable training, and keep up, I prefer to play that way, and I am thankfull BB isn't that 1 sided as Hattrick. I believe BB gives us the option to play it like hattrick, and seldom change training , create 1 sides monsters and sell them, but I also think they left the option to create a balanced team on your very own. TL will not suffer since sooner or later you'll need fresh guys anyway.
It takes a while longer for your players to pop, but you have more players popping.

Try to see it from more points of view, not just that 1 theory you (and many with you) think it needs to be. We are granted options by BB. Don't kill the other options to optimise 1 of the options so the others can't compete anymore.
the less obvious it is what to do, the better all options are balanced, and the more variety there will be. If there is an aspect that you find difficult, it is the same for all. The ones who choose to opt for that difficult way will have their reward when they sell their fruits.
I'm not doing anything special, I don't feel I am sacrificing a lot, and still I have a well balanced team.
Every 1 sided change, like improving training for just 1 position, might bring imballance, so I truly don't favor it.

Don't forget: small

Don't forget: small forwards are in a position which is unique. Unlike centers and PG, and often SG and PF, SFs can almost always benefit along with any training you perform, so they can get a lot more training then the other players in a team, but you'll have to sacrifice speed on the others. That is called options...


(seems I had spend my space before I was done lecturing :\ )

;)

I intented it to be a line of 10.

I don't know what got into me.

sorry about that.

in short: I think nothing needs to change.

In how many weeks your trainees make a pop in ID or Od when you train three roles
If your response is five or six weeks it's time to make a change!


@Dr. Jan Itor I want the card number 2 of this commettee :P

re: changing this now would harshly affect those that have trained SF

I dont get this, training for SF's is a great way to lose games. If your losing games you're costing your team, so whatever you might make up in transfer fees for a specialized player is offset by the cost of training that player.

Plus, if you've trained SF's your well ahead of the game, and the new training will allow you to take those players to the next levels while becoming more competitive.

Having a balanced SF shouldn't only be possible by choosing to not play your strongest team. How is does that help the game when one of your opponents might get an easy game cause your playing a PG at Center?

One of the great things of BB over HT was that there was motivation to succeed and aim to win all your games, and training was set up to promote multi-skilled players. Currently, this goes against both of those.

Another major problem is it promotes a narrow set of tactics. Most teams either play a guard at SF and choose and outside attack, or play a big man at SF and choose an inside attack.

In how many weeks your trainees make a pop in ID or Od when you train three roles
If your response is five or six weeks it's time to make a change!

I don't know if you read the whole thing, but I told that I am training my whole team in a balanced way.
This implements using all kinds of training from blocking to passing and anything between.
I think it is safe to say you can imagine that 1 player does not get a pop in the same skill every 6 weeks, but much slower.
On the other hand, they do get pops here and there, and slowly improve in a balanced way.
I realy can't tell what the average popratio is in my team for any skill, it is way to complex.
I do track how much training they got before a pop occurs however, per skill, and the impression I so far have, is that height plays a bigger role then age when it comes to training... ODD... don't know what to think of this. Probably the other skills of the player are of influence too...
For example I have 2 centers, almost equally worthy at the C position according to my calculations. Main centerskills are not that diffrent. 1 is 22, the other is 23. The one who is 23 popt with clearly less training after his previous pop then the one who is 22 on inside defense. The one who is 23 is 2m13, while the other is 2m06.
I also have a PG which I bought to train and sell, he's 1 year younger (21) as my other PG (22), but he is 2m11, while my other PG is 1m86. The 1m86 popped on handling, passing and OD, after he had already popped on those, while the 2m11 still has to pop in any of these, and I asume that they didn't all started out at sublevel 0 if you know what I mean.

I am gathering a lot of traininginfo since a few seisons now,
but at a very slow pace.

Slow but steady wins the race.

In how many weeks your trainees make a pop in ID or Od when you train three roles
If your response is five or six weeks it's time to make a change!

I don't know if you read the whole thing, but I told that I am training my whole team in a balanced way.

One thing is to say that training your whole team could be a GOOD WAY to playing in BB(and i also make this),another is to request a training for defence as exist for shot(jump shot for SF-PF)

true. yet there are a lot more usefull other options to add to training.

if you train your whole team the SF automatically gets the OD and ID training as well. So adding an extra training designed for that would not be helpfull.

It would be helpfull for managers who focus on 1 sided training, but because it is that fast, it would bring them to much advantage compared to others.

As it is now, managers need to choose: train 1 sided, then buy a good SF with the money they make from their fast training. Or train slower but include your SF.

If it gets changed in a way the 1 sided training manages to train SF seperatly, they don't need to buy them, and can keep the money they otherwise had to spend, which they then have in excess of the other managers.
So the other managers are forced to follow the same practise. Gone is 1 option...

To me it is simpel: either they make every type of training available for any position, in a combination as we can choose, or they do not change a thing to this balanced system.
I don't think adding 1 or a few trainingoptions favouring 1 or 2 positions is going to do good to the game.

If it gets changed in a way the 1 sided training manages to train SF seperatly, they don't need to buy them, and can keep the money they otherwise had to spend, which they then have in excess of the other managers.

If you're doing everything you can to improve your team, that money will be spent on some player.

I'm not sure what having money or excess money had to do with this. Understand you're doing team training, but that's not a realistic/efficient option for very many teams. Older players, high salaried players, players at or near their cap, team training doesnt make sense for anyone that has these types of players.

it's not a request to favour the SF
Sf are now penalized
we asked a training 50-50% ID-OD
the pops in this two skill if i train only in Sf position will happen in the same time,but i could train my SF in his natural position,and if i want to focused on a specific skill(which i had to make for age,height,to be nera to the potential cup),i still had to change position to my player