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From: Larelin
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Date: 5/16/2010 6:26:14 PM
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Im with you Jed Zep,
BTW... Who one today? Oh yeah.. Celtics.. hrmmm.. You Celtics haters still making the "Magic in 5" prediction?

*All in good fun,

EC

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Date: 5/16/2010 9:08:42 PM
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I'm not saying rondo is a horrible player although through my hatred for him i know what i said sounded like i said that, but i meant that he gets way too much credit. This guy is not the best pg in the league and maybe not even top 10 in the league. "So Rondo penetrates defenses, handles the ball and finds the open man - what's the problem here?" The problem here is it is easy to stop that if you just don't follow him. Just forget about him on the court and he won't be able to get assists or score because he isn't a very good scorer(i say scorer and not just shooter because he's not to good on layups either). Also I'm not saying he sucks because he gets rebounds im saying him getting rebounds doesnt prove he's better than another pgs

From: kokka
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Date: 5/17/2010 12:40:48 AM
Tachenko
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I think one of the keys of this celtics is rondo. He is not the best PG in the league but he is for sure a top 10 PG in the league (you have to give the kid some credit). On top of that he is the type of PG that the celtics need. It is not about who is better it is about who can make the team better and rondo does.

From: Fella

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Date: 5/17/2010 8:54:59 PM
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I have a great disdain for the Celtics but I believe we may be looking at only part of the picture. Rondo the past few years has been maturing but the reason he is so effective is not necessarily his "talent" (not saying he is not talented) but it is the threat of Ray Allen, Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett. Most teams up to this point (people are now waking up) have come into the game and are saying we need to stop the long ball "don't let Allen shoot, don't leave Pierce open, watch out for Garnett. This is the first season he is making people pay for paying him no attention. Sooo I think it is a maturing Rondo, I believe some of his accolades are deserved I think others are undeserved but for what it is worth I would put him in the top 10 PG's this particular season. His top FG % is because 80% of his shots are layups--nothing wrong with that but I don't believe he will be a top 5 PG until he develops a jump shot past 18 ft. Bottom line is this a whole lot of coaches woke up and said we need to figure out a way to stop Rondo!

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Date: 5/18/2010 12:22:16 AM
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That's probably the most correct assesment of rondo, even though i hate to admit it.

10 pgs better than rondo in my opinion (in no particular order besides that all 10 are higher than rondo):
1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. D Rose
4. C Billups
5. Steve Nash
6. Russell Westbrook
7. Aaron Brooks
8. Tyreke Evans (Stephen Curry) (BJen)
9. Jason Kidd
10. Gilbert Arenas (if he's not in jail)

I would rather have any of these pgs leading my team. (I would rather have rondo than Kidd now, but not when Kidd was younger.) I put the three rookies there because those are all top fucking notch players. I might even add Darren Collison in there, he was great at UCLA and really stepped up in Chris Paul's absense.




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Date: 5/18/2010 12:39:27 AM
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But did any of those guys have the pressure Rondo did/does as a young player?

He was basically handed the keys to a Ferrari and told not to crash it.... He has shown he can be with seasoned veterans and guide them to win.. PLUS.. how many of the above mentioned PG's have rings.. in the NBA that is one of the main, if not THE main factor for greatness.

From: Xarn

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Date: 5/18/2010 6:24:57 AM
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But did any of those guys have the pressure Rondo did/does as a young player?

He was basically handed the keys to a Ferrari and told not to crash it.... He has shown he can be with seasoned veterans and guide them to win.. PLUS.. how many of the above mentioned PG's have rings.. in the NBA that is one of the main, if not THE main factor for greatness.



Does that make Derek Fisher 4x better than Rondo? And then I assume, you MUST put Tony Parker ahead of Rondo.

From: Larelin

To: Xarn
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Date: 5/18/2010 8:36:47 AM
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You shouldnt assume what I mean. I never said he was better, dont put words in my mouth.

"Greatness" in the NBA is measures between the have and have nots.. not the number of titles.

So by YOUR logic, Rondo would wouldnt be better than any of those guys because he has only one 1 championship,
The number one times anything is still the same number.





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Date: 5/18/2010 5:17:38 PM
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yes but 1 is higher than 0.

Having a championship does not make you a better player, Lebron the best player in the league has 0.

I'm, sure anyone one of those guys I named would have also won a championship had they been on the celtics in the 07-08 season. The metaphor with the keys to the ferrari is not a very accurate one. I would say its more like a race with team members. You have 3 of the best racers on your team and only 1 of you needs to come in first for you to all win so don't worry about the finish yourself just make it easier for the other 3 to get to the end by pestering the other team.

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Date: 5/18/2010 11:49:52 PM
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This not in in support of the Fisher statement, but I'm voting for Kobe as the best player in the league right now. I know LeBron is special and a freakish athlete, but Kobe flat out wins. His performance last night was unreal. Don't get me wrong, I hate the Lakers. Iin fact as a die-hard Blazer fan I was born this way. Its my destiny to hate the Lakers. But I have to respect Kobe. And he is far better defensively, and has a far better understanding of the game offensively, than LeBron does.

From: Xarn

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Date: 5/18/2010 11:57:35 PM
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Hey Tachenko!

There was no need to hurt Mina. None whatsoever. I told my boys to take it easy and they went and roughed him up.

Now I get to face Broncos in a game that is without a doubt the most important game of my season without my best player.

Looks like its D IV for me next season.

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