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One thing to keep in mind in a zone is that players aren't stupid and aren't going to take well gaurded shots so just as in m2m you see your weaker defenders defend more shots, in a zone you will see weaker defenders/areas exploited. A zone will work well for you if it hides your weaknesses and your opponent is not equipped either tactically or personell wise to take advantage

Forrest thanks to try to help me but honestly I didn't get the sense of your post. If you analize the starting five only Marchignoli is really weak all the other players should be equipped quite well, we played the final cup last season with more or less the same players. So as written above even if Marchignoli was "sodomized" by Lamache, it's strange the % of Mazzurana, then, my personal opinion, I think that the defence m2m is the easier way to defend, the risk in this case is zero, instead if you defend 2-3 against r&g you make a big mistake, that's why I suggest you to improve the "power" of the zone defence the game will be more fun ;)

one reason could be that his PG takes lot of shots against your SF, that this shots are most likely easy even if in the most sitution tronger defender is in his way and he pass the ball to other player till they find a missmatch ;)

But also i am thinking how to react for the real Zone. If it wise to play 2-3 Zone against run and gun, if you know your SF lacks in OD so that your stronger guard defend those shots?

Why? If you had Bird, Parrish, and McHale on your team wouldn't you play them at the same time?

one reason could be that his PG takes lot of shots against your SF, that this shots are most likely easy even if in the most sitution tronger defender is in his way and he pass the ball to other player till they find a missmatch ;)

But also i am thinking how to react for the real Zone. If it wise to play 2-3 Zone against run and gun, if you know your SF lacks in OD so that your stronger guard defend those shots?

You need to consider the fact that playing a 2-3 Zone will decrease the general quality of your perimeter defenders, also, R&G will improve the quality of his outside shoots plus It will also deviate more shoots to the perimeter harnessing this artificial difference created by tactics.

And I haven't make any speculation about the ball rotations of the R&G that might cause other "problematic" matchups that, again, will me magnified by the general Defensive/Offensive hole created by that particular tactical combination.

Because, a few more rebounds(and a small amount of offesnive ones from your rival) doesn't seems to be pay the incremented amount of points that your opponent is likely to score.

Not for most of the teams at least.

but the thing is to you like a OD 14+ player with handicap defend a opposing 3 point shot, or a Big Guy with OD 6-8 who get a bonus? So you had the possibility to hide him in the Zone, and let the guards do the dirty work - but maybe this i more a theme for a extra thread or the help forum.

It was somehow non-realistic for an inside team who plays against an outside team, to defense with 3-2 and hide his PF as a SF in the zona, while ofc they had a bonus on rebound coz using 3 big mans in the 5.

''One thing to keep in mind in a zone is that players aren't stupid and aren't going to take well gaurded shots so just as in m2m you see your weaker defenders defend more shots, in a zone you will see weaker defenders/areas exploited. A zone will work well for you if it hides your weaknesses and your opponent is not equipped either tactically or personell wise to take advantage '' BB-Forrest

Really thanks for explaining it, i also thought about this ''intelligence of the game engine, the old one used it and now the new FE will use it too, so lets say godbye to all the PF who were playing as a SF and havent big OD, because the only good defense that they will be allowed to play will be m2m.
Furthermore, with this new GE, if you have good 3pointer guys, with a good range, it will be more easy to score 3points, so I would say a new era of R&G its coming to BB and look inside will lose his power, which was really too powerful, unless the inside teams have good SF with good OD and good inside skills.

:) ¡

There is point in the idea of hiding the bad defender. But, this is sourt of complex since whe don't know how good a scorer needs to be in order to choose to "attack through the weaker defender" .

There are many things we don't know. A critical theme that arises here is if the help defenders actually are helping to defend. Because, in the way that I started to think it, they were more of a trouble: they come to "help" but they're creating an opportinuty that good scorer can take advantage of.

Perhaps, the "total defense" is actually incremented with the help defender making a better solution that leaving only your downgraded guard OD +14. Maybe, having your upgraded PG OD +14 and upgraded SF OD 8 is way better for defense than the lonely PG OD +14 with handicap. Even if for Match Viewer purposes you see the 3 point shoot being guarded by that SF.

I starting to think that this Match Viewer thing is going to be a problem when it comes to better understand some dinamics of the GE. Because, is not that there are things you couldn't see, we might be seeing misleading clues when it comes to these aspects of zones.

I'm with brianjames here. I'd really like to see more balance between outside and inside offense. In fact, I'd really like the three big men lineup to disappear as an advantageous tactical option.

i understand your desire to see a more balanced gameplay but this should be stated and underlined in the News..
i can not defend the teams which i was easily defending in the old engine..
i'm %100 sure that outside offense is affected positively by the update but i look back into the News and i can not see anything related with that..

I don't think that you could provide enough evidence for that, not now at least.

Anyway, this might be true. I'm not saying that in my understanding it is. But I'm not really sure if BBs make "secret" changes to the GE. One possible explanation (this might be wrong off course) is that Assisted Shoots tend to ocurr more near the perimeter that near the case. If that is right, and we all know that more assited shoots will ocurr; then yes, some tactics will be more interesting than before.

But that's something that you as manager should think off, and It will be a "secondary" effect just like the incremented amount of shootblocks in 2-3 zone. But again, if it is true, is not like BBs were traying to secretly improve 2-3 zone when compared with other zones.

It's managers work to find out this sourt of things.