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In fact, they would be encourage to tank. If you know that you can't promote, better off to use this season to make money and train.

No one is arguing against this.

What "anti-tankers" are against is the AMOUNT of money gained.

Woohoo!

Well, here are my observations as a fresh tanker after being competitive for 12 seasons.

During those seasons I played, trained and enjoyed the game the normal way. I joined the game in season 8, when good players were worth something. In those old days, training and developing a team was a good strategy, much better than tanking, since the money itself was not as valuable as it is nowadays. During the past 5-6 seasons I have mentioned that players who cost plenty of millions can be purchased for 1/10-th of their real value. The only players that still remain valuable are the overall ones - the native SF in other words. Building-up such players makes the managers to train positions that they are not really fit to play, and thus not to be competitive, especially in Div. I, where I promoted to for the first time.

On the other hand, I saw the opportunity to build-up a team I dreamed about. Team full of the overall players, not too expensive in terms of salary, but VERY efficient in terms of performance. In order to make this dream come true, I had to forget about the competition in the league and start tanking and buying young trainees. After 4 weeks I expended my arena to a little bit over 20K, purchased 4 18 y.o. SF potentials (probably 1 of them will be released) 1 22 y.o. NT perspective and 1 21 y.o. MVP, that are aimed to be the key players of my team and help me survive in div. 2 next season.

All these issues eventually overweighted all the negative aspects of tanking. As soon as the game allows me to make 500K a week, train out of position and build-up a team of my dream with no obligations, compete in the cup and even get the #1 or 2 draft pick, I see no reason why not to take this opportunity.

Last edited by ig at 6/19/2012 11:59:13 AM

Well, I hope these opportunities will soon vanish. Not only because it doesn't seem realistic, but also because with cheap roster you drive TV money down.

Here is the most recent tanking example, taken from today's game:(46511254). He received money from 12k+ spectators. Not only that; our best U21 PG Jerin received 36 minutes of training. I think that's very unfair and I also sent a PM to the walkover team as a U21 manager. Needless to say he didn't respond. How long is this going to be tolerated by BBs?

now that just wrong. One of the wrongest things you could do. Now the trainee gotta play in the scrimmage. Why would you tank to get cash. Why can't you try to compete NOW? WHY? Man, this tanking gotta stop. Wheres a BB-God?

now that just wrong. One of the wrongest things you could do. Now the trainee gotta play in the scrimmage. Why would you tank to get cash. Why can't you try to compete NOW? WHY? Man, this tanking gotta stop. Wheres a BB-God?

He actually gets no minutes, because it was a forfeit.

The more I come to understand the causes of it all, I don't think that it can be taken away while the training system is the way it is. The only way it can be really corrected is by allowing trainees to train fully without being affected by having less than the 48+ minutes per week, as well as the "out of position" training concept.

Sure, the affects of tanking can be reduced, but, as many have said, some just want to build up a team. It's their choice to do that and they shouldn't be stopped. To do that, though, a manager will often have to play their C at PG position or vice versa, or somewhere in between.

I suggest, then, to remove the necessity for the 48+ minutes per week concept. Minute management can still be important because of game shape, which, I think, is a really powerful concept this game takes from real basketball.

An optimal number of minutes will increase game shape (with a random effect). Both too many and too few would reduce game shape.

Allow the new trainees to come off the bench each game and take 10-20 minutes, in the positions they are designed for.

Take the trainer you pay for and get them to do out of game training. All the other variables are the same (smaller players train slower in big man skills and vice versa etc.).

The above is the most logical choice.

now that just wrong. One of the wrongest things you could do. Now the trainee gotta play in the scrimmage. Why would you tank to get cash. Why can't you try to compete NOW? WHY? Man, this tanking gotta stop. Wheres a BB-God?

He has three trainees. Not to mention Jerin will now get either too much minutes if he plays in cup or too little if he doesn't, so his game shape will probably go down.

If you ever have a 21y old in your U21 and something like this happens to you, I invite you to read your post again. I guess you will see then how silly and childish it is.

Last edited by Koperboy at 6/19/2012 11:39:16 PM

Hey man! You have pointed to the right direction. The BB-God should stop the tanking, not the tankers! The current environment, as it is now, does 2 terrible things to the competition:

A) Punishes the teams who want to compete by

1) Training out of position - In order to build-up a valuable player, you have to train him a lot out of position, which means that your team is much less competitive while playing for example with a guard as a center.

2) Training young players - no matter what position, but playing 48 mins in a match is the best way to train, as you can fully train 3 or 5-6 players (1-2 position training). That means, that if you want to train 3 youngsters 1 position, you will weaken your team in EACH game.

3) Limiting the weekly minutes to maintain the GS - so unless you have a squad with 9-10 appropriate players, you cannot compete both in the league and the cup, so you are forced to throw one game in the week.

4) Spending a lot of money on salary and buying players in order to be competitive - much more than the difference between the total income of a winning team and a losing one.

5) Late draft pick.

6) Allowing other teams in the league to strengthen their squad drastically right before the playoffs.


B) Adores the non-competitive teams by

1) Free non-limited training with no obligations
2) Gaining money even by losing all the games, as no salaries have to be paid above the floor limit
3) #1 or 2 draft pick
4) Strengthening the squad right before playoff in order to keep the team in the league or even clinch to playoff and win the league.

I guess you understand why I chose to be non-competitive this season. You, and many others, may still disagree, but this attitude absolutely has the legitimacy under the current conditions. Like many others, I also dislike this situation, and the fact that I chose to fit it in order to try and build the team of my dreams does not mean that I'm satisfied with it. I wish that the teams which compete and win, or at least not lose by 50+ each game, Will gain much more benefit than now. On the other hand, I also wish that holding teams out of a competition will never be worth it. There are lots of things that can be done in order to change this negative balance described above, and I assure you that once it is really changed, All these negative issues will disappear.

Until then, the community will be divided into those who prefer to compete and suffer, like me in the previous 5-6 seasons, and those who prefer to get advantage of the current situation and develop their teams the non-conventional, but very efficient way, like me this season. I wish I could combine those 2 attitudes, but I simply can't.