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i didn't say he was athletic disabled, but he wasn't a superior athlete and even when he was he rarely used this athleticsm. He have a extrem fast release, nearly "behind" his head which he used a lot for scoring he used the attention he got from the defense pretty good also with his passing(which is in my eyes not so good then the one from Bron, but he have imho a better feeling for the game). And Bron works stuff out with his outstanding atleticsm.

And about your ASD argument, Dirk played the 3 at the begin of the Dallas days, in germany, and sometimes in the german Nationalteam - and yes in Dallas and the NT he was also used as a C. And they are both tall scorer who work with their outstanding JS a lot, and penetrate as option 2. I don't think the comparision is that wrong, because i won't get a player in mind who i could compare with Dirk and is known by everybody.

ok Lebron is a top shooter, who is a point forward, while he get the ball during the offensiv process in his hand and not mostly during all of the attack ;) Lebron runs more a PG play, even when he had the size, of an SF and the weigth of an PF. Bird was a SF, who sometimes goes moreto the PF pos(in terms of rebounding has similiarities to that, and not those rush to the board you had by small players like Kidd and Wade and often lebron)

Jordan played also defence against forwards btw., but Jordan is not really comparable with Lebron or just a comparision where Lebron has to loose by a ver ybig margin.

And i don't say that Lebron don't have substance, he is one of the top players currently in the NBA, with Wade and Durant(maybe Rose, Howard and Dirk too in the group).

Last edited by CrazyEye at 6/12/2011 3:23:46 AM

It´s impossible to compare this 2 players i.m.h.o.

Basketball has changed a lot in this (not so many) years. Players are now faster and stronger, defenses have improved a lot, rules have changed, etc...

I think Jordan is the best because of his pursuit of perfection and his stellar appearences echa and every time he was needed. He was like one of those heroes from comics, he alwayd delivered when the game was on the line. Despite all the changes I think Jordan could adapt quite fast to current basketball.

However, because of the changes I've mentioned I truly believe a pleyer with the talent, speed and strenght of Lebron playing in the later 80s and 90s would have been the best player cause he would have been ahead of his time, exactly as Jordan but better because of physical attributes.

And again, Prince James chokes when the pressure is on. Even being wide open he decided to pass the ball and didn't take the shot. Even though he started strong, he slowly but surely fade away from the game. Still comparing him to MJ?

Except you have to look at why players are stronger/faster - and that usually comes down to training.
If Jordan were playing today, he'd have the benefit of that same training... thus it's a moot point.

Except you have to look at why players are stronger/faster - and that usually comes down to training.
If Jordan were playing today, he'd have the benefit of that same training... thus it's a moot point.

I never said the opposite.

It’s not how hard you push along the way; It’s if you have it in you to finish

by MJ

I think we're done here

Jordan mental attributes were far better than LeBron's. In fact, they were his best attribute, his mentality was above the rest and that's the main reason he was the best.

However, we are comparing 2 different things here, as we are comparing basketball in the late 80s & 90s with basketball today, and believe me, go watch those videos again, it's a very different sport. Defenses are better, offensives are played more open, less medium range shots and much more 3p shots are taken now, players run faster and are stronger, etc... so how can we compare this guys? Take this example, Bird is famous worldwide as a great 3p shooter, well he had less than 1 3P a game, shot hardly above 38% BUT he played with 4 or 5 HoF so he could shoot most of his 3P after receiving a pass, with both feet on the floor and not off the dribble as most superstars have to shoot today.

If we are comparing mental attributes Jordan is above the rest by a big margin.

If we are comparing who was more important in his time Jordan also wins.

BUT if we are trying to compare stats that's impossible as they don't face the same opposition and don't play the same kinda basketball.

AND finally, if we are trying to fake a time machine and put Lebron as he is now playing in the past, I'm quite sure he would be the best player and would dominate the League even above Jordan as he is taller, faster and stronger and has a very close talent. But is just an opinion, it's impossible to prove any of this.

Last edited by Supermán at 6/14/2011 6:29:37 AM

Basketball has changed a lot in this (not so many) years. Players are now faster and stronger, defenses have improved a lot, rules have changed, etc...

NBA has also made it easier for guards/driving players to dominate the game. Jordan was a freak athlete 20 years ago the same as he would be today. The only difference is the refs would have made it even easier for him to score.

(http://thereal2kinsider.blogspot.com/2010/02/history-of-n...)

Here's a pretty good run of the rules. Jordan was at his scoring peak at a time before 2 levels of hand-checking rules had been applied, particularly all the changes in 2002.

Since Jordan was gone, the NBA needed to try to make it easier for everyone else to be Jordan-esque.

Last edited by brian at 6/14/2011 8:44:26 AM