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229484.34 in reply to 229484.33
Date: 1/4/2013 7:43:48 AM
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Hi mate.

I trained today "pressure PG/SG" and i got a pop up in "jump range".
Neither in the simulator or the bb-training site, is indicated that pressure trains range too. Only ( mainly) outside defense, plus handling and inside defense.
It needs to be looked at.


That's cross-training. Approximately 10% of your training is instead shifted to a random, quite possibly unrelated skill. There's no way to really model that in the simulator.

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229484.35 in reply to 229484.34
Date: 1/4/2013 8:20:59 AM
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I see.
I thought cross training referred to the secondary skills developed, already mentioned for each category. For instance, i thought that for pressure, gaining in handling/ inside defense as well, was the cross training effect.
Thanks for the answer man, all made clear now.

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229484.36 in reply to 229484.33
Date: 1/4/2013 9:58:31 PM
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hrudey is right on: the cross-training effect is not explicitly modeled by the simulator.

Thanks as always, for letting me know where you're having troubles. It helps me think about how I can make the tool better and easier to use. I'm not sure what you mean by "edit mode" in 2.5.3. Could you describe step-by-step what you do when you have this problem?

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229484.37 in reply to 229484.36
Date: 1/5/2013 9:19:36 AM
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Thanks once again for the response mate.
I suppose its nice to get a pop up when you least expect it.
As for the "edit mode" dont worry about it, sorted it out. My mistake. You can teach an old dog new tricks after all, it just takes time ;)


Last edited by maddoghellas at 1/5/2013 9:20:37 AM

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229484.38 in reply to 229484.37
Date: 1/5/2013 4:53:47 PM
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One more thing.

I bought this player and have been training him with advanced trainer. He's 19y, 6'4".
According to both 2.4 and 2.5.3 versions, he should be getting 0,355 pops ups per session, in OD, when training pressure.

When i bought him, he had OD 5. I dont know and can't be estimated(cause i'd just got him) whether he was closer to 5 or 6.
I take it he was the minimum(and unlikely) 5,00.
After FOUR pressure sessions, he is still 5.
That means that he's definately getting less than 0,25 per session.

The difference between simulator and actual game is, in my mind, more than i would expect and consider a margin error.

Have you had any similar feedback? Or should i contact the BBs, requesting least one pop up?

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229484.39 in reply to 229484.38
Date: 1/5/2013 5:17:54 PM
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so he trains as fast as my 24yo C

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Date: 1/5/2013 5:23:30 PM
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In the best case scenario, that is...sadlly.

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229484.41 in reply to 229484.38
Date: 1/5/2013 5:35:52 PM
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Probably not a problem with the Simulator. The 6'4" 19yo on your team has role player (2) potential. And with a SF salary of $4.2k he is likely capped. This would account for the slow-down in training you are experiencing (in comparison to the model).

But the Simulator is designed to let you know when this is the case. Take a look at the CAP number to the right of the training results. It turns red when a player is near his potential cap. This indicates that the model the Simulator is based on no longer applies (because it does not model the cap slow-down).

Even if his CAP number isn't red, your player may still be capped. Like you said, you don't have a good idea of the sub-levels on his skills. And so if enough of the other skills have decent sublevels, he will be closer to the cap than the simulator shows.

Hope that helps.

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Date: 1/5/2013 5:51:32 PM
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Yep, he's entered his cap range
Thanks man.

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229484.43 in reply to 229484.42
Date: 1/7/2013 11:06:50 PM
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Thanks again for putting this awesome simulator together.

Does the model assume that skill pops at x.5, or once you hit x.0? In other words, if a skill currently shows "Strong", does this model assume that it will pop to Proficient once it numerically hits 8.5, or once it hits 9.0? Thanks!

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Date: 1/8/2013 11:23:32 AM
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Thanks. I'm glad you are enjoying the simulator.

I'm not quite sure how to answer your question. The simulator works with sublevels, meaning that it relies on you to have a decent estimate of how much training your player has received since his last pop. So, it assumes the pop will happen at x.0. But if you don't have an estimate of sublevel to put into the simulator, you might pop at what seems like x.5 because you have un-input sublevels on your player.

EXAMPLE: An 18yo 6'0" player is input as having 5 OD. This means he could be 5-5.99. He gets trained twice in Pressure (PG). The TS shows that he'll get to 6.2 OD, indicating 1 pop. But this means he could be anywhere from 6.2-7.19. So he might have popped twice.

But say you have trained the same player enough times to know that their sublevel is 7.2-7.3 OD and so you input '7.2' for OD. After the same training you'll know he'll be between 8.4-8.5 OD.

Clear as mud?

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