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I consider this game (23914) as an huge upset.

The only thing Aussies had going for them was HCA and Enthusiasm (our 9 against their ~11). Oh, and advantage on C position, while we had advantage on PG-PF + better backups.

We had much better game shape than them and we were playing CT against their TIE. And somehow their 40k PF with 240k DMI was their best scorer. Their starting PG managed 8 assists - and he is listed as SG. Their starting SF, who is a C, had only 2 turnovers against OD=12 (our both SFs are at Proficient of course).

With playing TIE, they shoot 51% against our 42%, playing CT. All of our PGs and SGs combined, with passing ranging from 12-14, have only 4 more assists than all their PFs and Cs combined (13 to 9). Their C has 4 assists against OD=6.

Are you kidding me???

I conside myself a knowledgable manager and I can almost always predict the result of a game, be U21 or my team's. But in 10+ seasons I never saw anything like it. Compare our game to this game: (22910). Huge disparity in team ratings, yet Kazahstan still wins.

So if anyone can explain me why did we lose without "you had less assists" lines, I'd be very grateful. Thanks.

Can anyone tell me how I lost my game I know I got CT'd to his TIE, but that was my 2nd loss to the year and he was only 7-6. Thanks for the responses.
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/55963762/boxscore.aspx

Last edited by Dowdall13 at 4/29/2013 10:45:41 PM

HCA plus CTvTIE is a lot to overcome. I would also guess that your SF that you play at SG doesn't have enough OD to stop his SG from bombing away.

The opposition scored more points than you.

In all seriousness though I think you're underestimating Australia's U21 talent pool. Mahurkar's a great ball handler for a PF. McNicholas has Wonderful IS. Clarke is only listed SG because of his great rebounding for a guard. Prosser can score and/or pass in the post. And Rylance was an alright player in proficient game shape. And you say that you had better players in PG through PF, yet the matchup ratings suggest that we had the advantage in SF and PF.

The Kazahstan-Indonesia game, on the other hand, has me completely stumped.

In all seriousness though I think you're underestimating Australia's U21 talent pool. Mahurkar's a great ball handler for a PF. McNicholas has Wonderful IS. Clarke is only listed SG because of his great rebounding for a guard. Prosser can score and/or pass in the post. And Rylance was an alright player in proficient game shape. And you say that you had better players in PG through PF, yet the matchup ratings suggest that we had the advantage in SF and PF.

I can't disclose all the skills of our players here, so if you want, I can send a few of them to your BB-mail and you will see what am I talking about. But anyway:

Mahurkar's a great ball handler for a PF.

It's still not enough against OD=12 unless he is powered up by much higher enthusiasm which you had.

McNicholas has Wonderful IS.

So does our 20y old who played at PF. Our PF was at Proficient with 600k+ DMI, while Mcnicholas was Strong-Low (240k DMI). Pretty huge difference I'd say.

Clarke is only listed SG because of his great rebounding for a guard.

RB has got nothing to do with it. Based on his salary and SG listing, I'd say the most PA he can have is 11-12. That's not that great against our PG with OD and PA 14, don't you think? But again, enthusiasm boosted him.

So if you take away the enthusiasm factor which boosted all your players, we definitely had advantage from PG through PF, given the game shape.

did u choose the foul trouble option "let them play" ?! looks like ;)

Yes I did, why? It's not like it would matter if I have chosen Sit them.

it matter ( dont know how much, but it does )..engine is putting the def ratings down from the player(s) which r in foul trouble

but maybe not the only reason for ur loss, but a piece ( dont know the strenght of ur backups )

:p

Last edited by WillFreeman at 4/30/2013 3:38:48 AM

Still better than sitting them...

Why are you going to sit him?
Because he has four fouls.
What happens if you play him?
He might get a fifth foul.
What happens if he gets a fifth foul?
Then we'll have to sit him.
So, you're sitting him so you don't have to sit him?
Correct.
Aren't you just handing yourself the punishment ahead of time, without actually earning it?
Um … he has four fouls.

As the owner of Harry there is a lot more to scoring then just IS. Harry has other skills which help him score and his build is made to keep his salary low. There is a % of chance in results.

This is also Harry's 2nd season as a starting in 21 NT side so his experience would be higher then most which effects performance.

Last edited by Mickyster at 4/30/2013 4:01:51 AM

Of course I don't want to say Harry or any other player from Australia is bad, because he's not. It's just that I think from PG-PF, given game shape, we have better players. It's not like we don't have secondary skills at all. Our PF has JS 9. Backup PF has JS, DR and HA 9. Our C has DR and HA 10. Our backup C has JS 10, HA and DR 8, PA 7...and did that do us any good? No, because you had so much advantage in enthusiasm, that's all.