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Personally, I think you spent to much time (and money) listening to everyone's advice, and you didn't give enough time to see how your team will perform to see if any of these additions were necessary.

The biggest problem you will face is the age of your players. Depending on the strength of your league, it could be possible to win a D.V league with your roster. However, your most important players are all over 33, which means they will get worse over time. So even if you win the championship this season, you will have to replace your winning pieces rather than adding strength to them once you get to D.IV.

My advice to you is to take some time to play the game. Learn what works for you and what doesn't. See how the different strategies make the players perform and how your team progresses, then make adjustments. Above all else, take what is here on the forums with a grain of salt. What works for one team may not work for you.

I think most, if not all, of these additions, were quite necessary. My league seems to be pretty active for a D5 league, so I think it was worth it for me to take on a higher payroll.

I know my players are old, but they should all be good throughout the season, and if I promote, my guards should be able to start for me in D4, and my PF could be a backup. Considering that I should be filling most of my seats throughout this season, I should make enough money to continue expanding my arena, bringing in even more money through the arena. Plus, once I promote to D4, I'll be getting an extra 200K. So, once I get to D4, there are pretty much two possible paths I can take. I can sell my old players, getting what I can for them, and just save up for a good draft pick, then relegate back to D5 with a lot of cash saved up that should be able to get me some nice, younger pieces for the future, and promote me back into D4 in a much better position. Or, I can continue to use my old players until their skills drop enough to make them unplayable. When that happens, I'll have made enough from staying competitive to pay for one or two young players with good skillsets. Not to mention the fact that I'll be training my C prospects for the next few seasons, and I'll probably sell one of them and pocket the extra money. Along the way, I'll be expanding my arena a lot to maximize my profits. So overall, I think getting a few veterans to promote out of D5 was the right choice, although maybe it would have been better to save up for a few younger guys.

While it's true that not every piece of advice given is suitable for every team, I think this guy is taking everything into careful consideration. Then there's the fact that multiple paths can lead to the same goal, so though pieces of advice may differ, they could all be helpful.

To ADB:
I think the PF will help your team, and though I believe you could have gotten a player like that for a lower price, it's not a bad purchase. These prices may seem much now but soon enough it's pocket change, and even if you can't sell them you won't have lost much money for the value they brought you. The extra wins you get with them are worth money too. I think you got a pretty good idea of the strategies of buzzerbeater, and now it's just getting experience and finetuning your ideas and skills.

Just some food for thought. I'll leave you to make up your own mind...

I know my players are old, but they should all be good throughout the season

There is no way to accurately predict the number of skill drops per season for players 33 and older, but you could be correct.

and if I promote, my guards should be able to start for me in D4

My true starting back court has a combined salary of $47,648. My first guard off the bench adds another $11K. You wouldn't be able to train to that level in 1 season, let alone the 4 seasons I've spent training them. With that said, I'm probably only the 6th best team in my league... if that high.

I should make enough money to continue expanding my arena, bringing in even more money through the arena.

I had almost 8K seats in my arena when I promoted, and that's not enough seats to maintain a quality D.IV roster.

and just save up for a good draft pick, then relegate back to D5 with a lot of cash saved up that should be able to get me some nice, younger pieces for the future

Choosing relegation should only be an option when you have hit a wall with your current team, forcing a rebuild. It should never be a part of your building plan, but for sake of discussion, let's break it down.

1. There's no guarantee you will get a good draft pick
2. Relegation has a severe impact on season ticket holders as well as general ticket sales
3. Lower ranked D.IV teams have a better opportunity to make more money than good D.V teams

When that happens, I'll have made enough from staying competitive to pay for one or two young players with good skillsets.

With only a surface glance at your team currently, you would probably be in a relegation position in either division of my league. With the skill drops you'll receive, your team will be in a worse position when/if you promote.

So overall, I think getting a few veterans to promote out of D5 was the right choice, although maybe it would have been better to save up for a few younger guys.

That's the point. You have all older guys with decent skills, then younger guys that can't compete at a D.IV level, but no one in between. Expanding your arena should be the priority right now, then being competitive. I did the same as you when I started. I got my team, then started buying players. The difference is the fact that in my 5th season, I still have 5 of the first 7 players I purchased, and 4 out of the 5 are big contributors still. The other 2 were sold at a nice profit overall. You won't have that option.

I would look towards getting a minimum of 7,500 seats in your arena before you promote. That way, you'll have a strong economy first to fund your plans. The teams that struggle in D.IV are the ones that can't afford to adjust to the competition.

Good luck to you, and I hope your plans succeed.

The guy just started playing, his team will evolve a lot before he promotes and when he promotes. I've been playing for 3 seasons and I promoted last year, and I don't have a single player I had in my first season. I constantly upgrade both my roster and my arena, and if you promote, you'll have more means to do so.

The guy just bought a couple of veterans to win games to generate income through ticket sales, and he also put quite some money in his arena. He's just starting and is still doing the right things. Now that he's settled with some core production to win games he can focus on his arena, which will be filled becasue of the wins.

Tood>
We both started in the same season. We both made the semifinals last season in Div 4. We both look to be winning titles this season.

Where we are different:
I started two months later than you. (8-9 weeks)

I concentrated on my arena and have built: 50% more bleachers, 27% more lower, 150% more court, and 180% more lux.

Your rotation players are all under 32. But three are not from the USA.
All but one of my rotation players is over 33. They are all from the USA. I make 30K/week in merchandise.

My main trainees are home grown. Your main trainees are bought.

Where you are better: You have more money stored in your roster.
Where I am better: I have more money stored in my arena.

However, I am sure my team could beat yours right now and I would have more money to spend on players towards the end of the season to ensure I would win the title

I am certain we will both be in Div II at some point. I am also certain I will be there before you

I'm nowhere close to a title, this season or next, but thank you for the compliment.

I'm sure you could beat me, nor did I say I was an expert. What I saw in this thread was a new player blindly following multiple peoples opinion without first learning the game and forming one on his own. That was my only point.

As far as your analysis, pretty spot on. You forgot to add the fact that you day trade (which there is nothing wrong with in my opinion) as a difference between our teams. That economic advantage allows you more luxuries than the average player, myself included. If you are going to advise someone to follow in your path to success, give them all the info.

Also from your analysis, it's obvious that I am not as qualified as you to offer an opinion, so I will leave. To the OP, take your time, and have fun. Hopefully you will be better than all of us.

NP Todd you gave decent advice. But I think you overestimate youth. There is a problem with youth. The money is stored in the player. Its worse if you pay a lot up front for him. Although AerodynamicBull has 3 players now that are sunk-cost assets, to me its better than 1 player that is more of an inventory cost. His ROI is much quicker.

AerodynamicBull was in a tough spot. He had 2 clear choices 1) get the team ready to promote, 2) Wait until next season. Since he had already lost 4 games he needed to quickly get a team together. He decided on option 1. I helped him get ready with option 1. He couldn't really afford young players to try to quickly pull a team together...one more loss and he's on the brink of not making the playoffs this season.

Overall under the circumstances he has OK players. They are not salary efficient, but they will serve their purpose and win him games.

As for me, I did day-trade but its not exactly all that profitable. I am testing out a method I saw the top team in the world do last season. So I will see how that goes.


Oh and I agree, tanking is a bad idea. He is better off staying in Div IV once he gets there. Then just pump money in the arena for a season or two. My third season in Div 5 was ultra-boring. I won every game but I didn't even buy any players up until right before the playoffs. Playing in Div 5 is just a waste. The only good was that I finally drafted a superstar potential player and was able to put more money into my arena.


Last edited by lawrenman at 6/27/2013 11:01:51 AM