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From: brian
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Date: 2/21/2009 11:54:57 AM
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i started slowly trying to build up based on seeing this team and a few others in the german league a month or so ago, dropped close to 1m in expansion since then. In that time this team has added twice as many seats, and sold them all out, and is building even more!

Overall, I'm getting roughly 2/3rd the arena revenue in comparison, and still have an arena larger than 99.9% of the other teams in BB.

Is this really the model that BB is looking for? If this is the trend, and nothing seems to be slowing in the net revenue gain of building stadiums over 40k, teams that get to this level will be cementing themselves as untouchable to the competition.



Last edited by brian at 2/21/2009 12:33:01 PM

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From: Tattoro

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Date: 2/21/2009 12:13:47 PM
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What should i say. I was improving my arena since beginning of the game. I earned a lot before BBs decided to change the income-model of the arena's. In my league i had the biggest arena for seasons but last season i recognized that Tall Blacks, a team of my division in the bundesliga earned nearly the same money without playing that succesfull like my bulls. So i coppied this strategy - i was building more seats in each catagory and lowed prices. With decreasing prices the break-even is reached in a lot more time, but on the long run it is paying out. The BBs made this attendance-formula and so everyone can find his way to ballance price, construction costs and budget for salaries. I like my way :-)

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 2/21/2009 12:24:46 PM
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Is this really the model that BB is looking for? If this is the trend, and nothing seems to be slowing in the net revenue gain of building stadiums over 40k, teams that get to this level will be cementing themselves as untouchable to the competition.


take a look at the prices, the BB give us to choose did you really think that it just should be reasonable to sell ticket at the high end of the prices?

And like tattoro said before(i believe you linked his team*), the more seats you have it takes longer till you get the profit. In my eyes the revenue for playing succesfull, is a bit too high which makes it harder to catchup. Because you could make allot more money in the 2 cheapest categories.


*: start with linking at /bbweb/... and it works also for people who lock in other server, or use the team link.

From: brian

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Date: 2/21/2009 12:29:21 PM
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Like I said to you in a heads up about my post, this is a great management move you (and Tall Blacks, etc) have made in taking advantage of the system. I'm using you all as the model for my team too.

Everyone that has the ability to take advantage of this (mostly older established teams) will like this setup.

But it seems far from ideal, there is seemingly no limit to the economies of scale from arena expansion. Teams that have pioneered, and the few well positioned to follow, in expanding arenas well past what you'd assume a basketball arena to be will become untouchable to all but a handful of the 45k and growing teams in the game.

Last edited by brian at 2/21/2009 12:30:44 PM

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From: Tattoro

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Date: 2/21/2009 12:33:30 PM
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I would suggest introducing fix-costs for each seat like it exists in Hattrick. So you could limit expansions.

From: brian

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*: start with linking at /bbweb/... and it works also for people who lock in other server, or use the team link.


ah nice, never had any luck with that until now. should be fixed.

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From: brian

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Date: 2/21/2009 12:40:09 PM
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I really liked the option to adjust prices in BB at first, though I assumed there was some total revenue cap. That doesn't appear to be the case.

Problem with making any adjustments now is it will either penalize the teams that wisely took advantage of the system or make it even harder for teams to catch up to teams that have already expanded.

I'm sure you'd be annoyed if they introduced a fixed-cost per seat that made your investments ineffective. If they set it to where it's effective for your team, then you're really punishing the teams that have smaller higher priced seats by giving them even less revenue.

I can't think of a fix that won't hurt someone. But it seems certain that left untouched the problem will only become worse in the long run.

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From: Tattoro

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Date: 2/21/2009 1:59:34 PM
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I would not have that big problem with any adjustments if they also offer an option to get the money back which i paid for these seats ;-)

From: ned

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Date: 2/21/2009 3:24:28 PM
Freccia Azzurra
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Tattoro may I ask you which is the money earned (as average) with your arena?

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From: Tattoro

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Date: 2/21/2009 3:30:58 PM
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Tattoro may I ask you which is the money earned (as average) with your arena?



I'm close to 500k each week - average is somewhere between 450 and 500k i suppose. I have no detailed overview about my income.

From: ned

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Date: 2/21/2009 3:32:07 PM
Freccia Azzurra
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Thanks a lot! no other words to say, you managed better than everyone your team, many compliments from my side ;)

1990-2022 Stalinorgel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV-Xppl6h8Et
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