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I can say that I am continuing amazed at the ability of our users to detect bugs with disturbing accuracy. There was indeed a bug in the GE with respect to how OD team ratings were presented, that had to do with the SG OD contribution... (his jumpshot was being added to the rating and not the OD). Now before everyone freaks out and demands their games rerun, this is simply a presentational error.. as teamratings are not the things we principly use when calculating results for things in the GE.

I fixed it on Tuesday, so things should be presented better going forward.

perhaps this is the OD error ned is winking about...

I just started reading this thread, so I don't know if anyone has raised my point already, but I'll give it a go. I really think something like this should be mentioned on the News page.

I don't often read the threads in Global and, with this change, I would be awfully confused by the change in my own team's ratings as well as those of upcoming opponents that I'm scouting. Might also be worth keeping some sort of public changelog.

no let me be clear... the OD team rating is a weighted average over time of all the positions OD ratings (modulated by energy etc). So there are 5 values that go into the calcuation at each moment in time.... 1 of those values.. the SG was his JS and not his OD.. a typo. So the ratings was mostly OD and a little bit SG JS... ratings wont be drastically different, just a little bit different... and there shouldn't be any noticeable effect on the outcome of games, just on the rating.

EDIT: SOME OF THESE STATEMENTS MIGHT BE MISLEADING.. PLEASE READ (66639.86)

Last edited by BB-Forrest at 1/7/2009 9:50:52 PM

perhaps the best we can do is announce the change now and implement it for scrimmages for the rest of this season and then make the change next season.
note... this is not an announcement, i am only speaking for myself here.

This will be more than great!

Coming back to inside vs outside, I also think that the game is well balanced but maybe there is still a little bit advantage playing inside. I think BBs can see everything from the headquarter, stats and other things that we don't know.
There are two other reasons that I didn't write before; I think OD training is a very slow training, maybe slower than ID, if you see the market is difficult to find players with more than lvl 11-12 in Od, second, who plays inside has 2 different tactics to use against outside attack, 3-2 and 1-3-1, who plays outside has only 2-3, an implementation of an extreme defense against inside could be a good and funny solution.

About GE.
Yesterday I had an easy game in cup and I've selected Cinotti on the field and Zanenga in backup. Well, Zanenga started since the beginning on the field and he didn't quit neither in the garbage time playing in total 47 minutes. Zanenga is 10 times stronger than Cinotti, but the coach should "respect" my choices, don't you think?

you havent replied to any off my previous posts nor to most others. this seems to be a 3 or 4 way discussion. Like most discussions on the forums seem to be. keep it that way, makes the rest off the community feel really involved...

Just my last words, because I know this will stay a 3-4 way discussion. If you are going to make the game engine as easy/logical/mathematically correct/formula wise understandable like some people want, because they are moaning and whining, simply because hattrick is a game where the game engine is as easy/logical/mathematically correct/formula wise understandable, and people always want everything as easy as it can be, than I will not renew my supporter. I love buzzerbeater because it is not as predictable as it is (but this is only when you look at the team ratings and player ratings, if you look at the real stats, you can easily figure out where you lost the game). Hattrick is too easy and therefore to boring...

I cant believe simply because the team ratings dont perfectly show or perhaps dont prefectly calculate the OD team ratings, and people whine about it, you are considering to make a complete overhaul off the game engine.

Like I said, listening to 3 or 4 people that you deem important, it might be handy to start a poll before upsetting the majority off the players and ask them if they are overall happy with the game engine... I am sure the community is happy the way things are and I think the overall opinion from the community is way more important, than 4 OD minded people wanted the game engine to be changed to get a benefit from it...

Last edited by Astragoth at 1/2/2009 4:02:24 AM

i totally agree with you that any changes to the game engine, how small or insignificant they might be, should be mentioned under the news section on the first page you see when you login. Think it is fair to let the whole community know about changes and more importantly any big changes or bugs. Think it gives a HUGE UNFAIR advantage to people (as you can see in this thread) know certain things are incorrect, get this confirmed by someone from BB and than are being told what the recent changes were and the planned changes might be.

Probably you don't understand the sense of this discussion...

Everyone here would like to give an opinion to improve the game not to destroy it, you can't be sure about the community cause you aren't the community, we are just discussing about this matter, as you can see, there is something not really correct in the rebounds and maybe there are still other details that can be improved, your posts when you say that everything is ok and the community is happy don't give any help or advice to anyone. For the last time, we are not fighting we are discussing about the possibility to make BB better. All the people that posted here loves BB, users that don't like BB don't waste time discussing about a game that they don't like.

interesting. i did give my advice. secondly quote me pls where I have said I speak for the community? It is clear you haven´t read my posts or make from them what you prefer to read into it. Because I have said, I think small changes should be made if there are bugs. Like rebounding. Overall the game engine seems alright. I still have to see 1 game where the way better team lost and you cant explain this from the statistics. (i am not talking about the team or player ratings, because they seem to be flawed) Therefore I am happy with the game engine in general. What is wrong with that? Secondly I have said that changes should made known to the public in the news forums. Thirdly I have not said you are fighting. I have never said or even implied I speak for the community, but you can inform them and involve them with polls etc. People like you and me might have time to read the forums. But not everyone has that time, so i think it is a huge assumption to say that only people that love buzzerbeater post here, but you might be right, who am I to say what is right or wrong. Most people also have not the time to collect all data from every game and the knowledge to change this data into statistics, game formulas and therefore have this extra inside knowledge and therefore are able to discuss this directly with the developers... which again in my opinion gives people that have this time an advantage. i am just pointing this out, not being upset or jealous about it. Once again let me say I am happy with how this game works, the challenge it provides compared to hattrick and the great community this game has... Maybe some big changes are needed, I just hope that as has happened a few times in hattrick this doesn´t mean that for anyone, not just me, all their hard work and building a team around certain tactics, which does take years in real time, goes down the drain. Even with an announcement off 1 season to give you time to adjust, you can not fully adjust because 1 it isn´t enough time, 2 you don´t know how the new changes pan out and therefore can´t act on them...

Last edited by Astragoth at 1/2/2009 5:06:21 AM