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From: Vegas
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Date: 9/23/2011 9:53:51 AM
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This friday I trained Passing three players. One of them poped up passing. Other passing+driving, and the last driving+shot blocking. None of them low skills.

Some weeks ago, training Pressure the guy today had the pop up in shot blocking (and driving) got +1 in IS and ID. Training pressure! IS was not low skill, even more after that pop.

Edit: always one position.

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9/23/2011 One on One for Forwards

Ignazio, Netanel both 19, Wira is 20 y/o

Ignazio Vetrano ↑popped↑ in Jump Shot from awful to inept . (lowest of all skills 10)
Ignazio Vetrano ↑popped↑ in Driving from mediocre to average .
Ignazio Vetrano ↑popped↑ in Inside Shot from respectable to strong . (highest skill)

Netanel Birok ↑popped↑ in Jump Shot from inept to mediocre .
Netanel Birok ↑popped↑ in Driving from pitiful to awful . (his worst skill)

Wira bin Mahayuddin ↑popped↑ in Shot Blocking from average to respectable . (lowest inside man skill)

I actually wanted to get a Handling pop on Wira...

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Date: 9/23/2011 12:20:32 PM
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This week I trained passing and poped passing (normal) and rebouding (cross-training effect).
Some weeks ago, trained jump shot (guards) for 3 times, and had 2 pops at outside defense.
So far: 3 pops, from the cross training effect.

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Date: 9/25/2011 10:14:04 AM
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This week I trained Pressure and got a pop in JS from one of my players, which also happens to be his highest skill.

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Date: 9/29/2011 7:04:18 AM
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Hi
I made little experiment this week. I decided to waste my money and I bought 27 scrubs - 18-19 yo (because the fastest possible speed of training), potential >= 6, salary < 4k (because of guarantee they aren't capped), price = 1k (the cheapest). Finally I had 40 players in roster during training. And I trained FT this week. I hunted for cross pops and I expected few and maybe even in two different skills.
Other important information - most of these scrubs didn't play in last week (only 7 of them). And probably no one of my players is capped.
Result:
- 14 pops in FT
- 0 other pops.

So we can make little brainstorming and try to analyse this case. I have few hypotheses (the are only speculations):
- training of FT doesn't increase other skills (probably wrong because of information in first post in this topic)
- effect of cross training is very small
- to gain cross training during training of FT player has to play in week
- to gain cross training during training of FT player has to play in week on training possition (related to skill, which should pop thanks cross training)
- summary effect of cross training is constant (independent of number of trained players) and this effect is spread over all players (more trained players means less effect for each of them)
- effect of cross training during training of FT is independent of age of players.

Other my hypotheses (not related to this case):
- in one week all players in team train the same skill by using cross training. We should find two cross pops in different skills to reject it.
- if all players train the same skill it means that level of skills don't matter, skill trained thanks cross training is selected totally randomly.

This is, by far, the most interesting post in the whole thread. Did you only experiment for a single week on FT, or are you still training FT?

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Date: 9/29/2011 8:02:42 AM
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RB trained (ofc PF/C), technique popped also.


What is technique? Handling?

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Date: 9/29/2011 8:25:00 AM
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This is, by far, the most interesting post in the whole thread. Did you only experiment for a single week on FT, or are you still training FT?

I am (was) frustrated because until now this "the most interesting post in the whole thread" was without response ;-) So I'm not sure users in this topic are interested to discover how cross training works ;-)

No, it was only one week single experiment because in other weeks I didn't use team training. Maybe in future (during short weeks between seasons).

I'm still waiting for my first cross pop ;-)
I'm not sure I have bad luck and I should be unhappy becaue of this reason or... 0 cross pops means that I have well rounded players and I should be happy because of it ;-)

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I am (was) frustrated because until now this "the most interesting post in the whole thread" was without response ;-) So I'm not sure users in this topic are interested to discover how cross training works ;-)


I read it carefully the same day you post it and am very interested in continuation of your experiment. Sorry if I didn't reply to it...I'm looking forward to more weeks of your experiments, because the thing that bothers me the most is if those 10% of cross-training go all in one skill or are distributed among two or more skills. Few more weeks of your experimenting and I'm sure we will figure it out.

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This is, by far, the most interesting post in the whole thread. Did you only experiment for a single week on FT, or are you still training FT?

I am (was) frustrated because until now this "the most interesting post in the whole thread" was without response ;-) So I'm not sure users in this topic are interested to discover how cross training works ;-)

No, it was only one week single experiment because in other weeks I didn't use team training. Maybe in future (during short weeks between seasons).

I'm still waiting for my first cross pop ;-)
I'm not sure I have bad luck and I should be unhappy becaue of this reason or... 0 cross pops means that I have well rounded players and I should be happy because of it ;-)

I mentioned earlier in the thread that we're kind of wasting our time "analyzing pops in cross training" if we're not, well, you know, analyzing anything. Making a list of cross training pops isn't analyzing, it's simple data collection.

I think we as a community need someone to really do an experiment like this, so that we'll know some answers to a lot of the points you mentioned (i.e., is it possible for more than one skill to be cross-trained in a single week?, etc.). Without a decent trial run, all we are doing is telling everyone we got an arrow somewhere, which is a waste of everyone's time IMO.

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