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From: Koperboy

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218937.346 in reply to 218937.343
Date: 6/19/2012 11:22:27 PM
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now that just wrong. One of the wrongest things you could do. Now the trainee gotta play in the scrimmage. Why would you tank to get cash. Why can't you try to compete NOW? WHY? Man, this tanking gotta stop. Wheres a BB-God?


He has three trainees. Not to mention Jerin will now get either too much minutes if he plays in cup or too little if he doesn't, so his game shape will probably go down.

If you ever have a 21y old in your U21 and something like this happens to you, I invite you to read your post again. I guess you will see then how silly and childish it is.

Last edited by Koperboy at 6/19/2012 11:39:16 PM

From: ig

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218937.347 in reply to 218937.342
Date: 6/20/2012 8:12:14 AM
Jerusalem TET
Ligat Ha'al
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Jerusalem TET Utopia
Hey man! You have pointed to the right direction. The BB-God should stop the tanking, not the tankers! The current environment, as it is now, does 2 terrible things to the competition:

A) Punishes the teams who want to compete by

1) Training out of position - In order to build-up a valuable player, you have to train him a lot out of position, which means that your team is much less competitive while playing for example with a guard as a center.

2) Training young players - no matter what position, but playing 48 mins in a match is the best way to train, as you can fully train 3 or 5-6 players (1-2 position training). That means, that if you want to train 3 youngsters 1 position, you will weaken your team in EACH game.

3) Limiting the weekly minutes to maintain the GS - so unless you have a squad with 9-10 appropriate players, you cannot compete both in the league and the cup, so you are forced to throw one game in the week.

4) Spending a lot of money on salary and buying players in order to be competitive - much more than the difference between the total income of a winning team and a losing one.

5) Late draft pick.

6) Allowing other teams in the league to strengthen their squad drastically right before the playoffs.


B) Adores the non-competitive teams by

1) Free non-limited training with no obligations
2) Gaining money even by losing all the games, as no salaries have to be paid above the floor limit
3) #1 or 2 draft pick
4) Strengthening the squad right before playoff in order to keep the team in the league or even clinch to playoff and win the league.

I guess you understand why I chose to be non-competitive this season. You, and many others, may still disagree, but this attitude absolutely has the legitimacy under the current conditions. Like many others, I also dislike this situation, and the fact that I chose to fit it in order to try and build the team of my dreams does not mean that I'm satisfied with it. I wish that the teams which compete and win, or at least not lose by 50+ each game, Will gain much more benefit than now. On the other hand, I also wish that holding teams out of a competition will never be worth it. There are lots of things that can be done in order to change this negative balance described above, and I assure you that once it is really changed, All these negative issues will disappear.

Until then, the community will be divided into those who prefer to compete and suffer, like me in the previous 5-6 seasons, and those who prefer to get advantage of the current situation and develop their teams the non-conventional, but very efficient way, like me this season. I wish I could combine those 2 attitudes, but I simply can't.

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218937.348 in reply to 218937.342
Date: 6/20/2012 1:30:50 PM
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how long is this going to be tolerated by BBs?


This is good guestion. Tanking is going to far:

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This is sick!!!

I'm not sure if it was such idea before. I think, it should be much bigger attendance decrease when team loosing few games in row.

Last edited by Czesław at 6/20/2012 1:31:05 PM

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Date: 6/20/2012 2:18:30 PM
Spartan 300
II.2
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Spartan Kids
Less money for those who loose some games in row..

And ultra less money for those teams who loose 25-0 or 100 and more points.

So the first game Attendance: 19350 . So many people come to watch a game where the result 0-0 is? Would someone go to a game and watch nothing? One time, the other game the Arena would be empty, if we look this realistic..

This is where we hold them!
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218937.352 in reply to 218937.348
Date: 6/20/2012 5:27:16 PM
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how long is this going to be tolerated by BBs?


This is good guestion. Tanking is going to far:

(46472465)
(46472472)
This is sick!!!

I'm not sure if it was such idea before. I think, it should be much bigger attendance decrease when team loosing few games in row.

Thanks for the examples. They are really helpful to show the cause.

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218937.353 in reply to 218937.351
Date: 6/20/2012 5:28:32 PM
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Agreed!

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218937.354 in reply to 218937.353
Date: 6/21/2012 1:26:38 AM
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I haven't read all this but here is what i think.

There are 2 Different types of tanking,

1) Tanking for draft picks

2) Tanking for Money.

To fix any tanking problem you need to take away the reward for doing it.

1) Tanking for draft picks.

The objective here is to finish as low as you can so you get the first pick in the draft, So all we have to do is not give the lowest team first pick, So i suggest making the picks random for the lowest 6 teams. Finishing last will not automatically give you the first pick, and the bottom/weaker teams still get the 6 best picks in the draft.

2) Tanking for Money.

Problems are,

1)buying up big before the playoffs.

2)sending in 3 players or forfeiting and getting money for it.

3)Training has become useless at the moment because of the TL.

1)buying up big before the playoffs

To fix this we need to change the ineligible for the playoff rule. It need something like you are only aloud to buy 1 player in the 3 weeks before the playoffs and all other players MUST have played at least 6 league/cup games for your team or they are ineligible for the playoff.

2)Sending in 3 players or forfeiting and getting money for it.

Easy fix, increase minimum player number to 5 for starting a game, Increase the Player Salaries Floor, and if a game is forfeited there is no income that week, if there was no game then there should be no income from attendance, no Merchandise sold and TV money. TV stations are not going to pay for a game that never happened. (This is only for the forfeiting team not the opponent) (And if you forfeit an away game you loose you income for your next home game)

3)Training has become useless at the moment because of the TL.

We need to increase the Merchandise for players on your team that you have trained by yourself and decrease the Merchandise income for players you buy of the TL. Training need to become important again NOW because in about 6+ season we are going to have a player shortage on the TL and then the TL prices will go through the roof and screw the TL again. The TL needs balance where the prices stay the same, not going from 1 season where the prices are high then crashes the next season and then becomes unpredictable the next season.


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Date: 6/21/2012 1:40:56 AM
Mountain Eagles
III.1
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Second Team:
Ric Flair Drippers
has there ever been a TL colapse before? Like then TL prices go through the roof and there's like, only 4k people up in there.

Average is about 6-6.5k I belive

So my question is: Has there been any TL collapse in the History of BB?????

3 Time NBBA Champion. Certified Trainer. Mentor. Have any questions? Feel free to shoot me a BB-Mail!
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