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Well Harry played his 1st ever 21 scrim. If it was going to happen I would assume it would of already.

Good question, id love to see how close Brar is compared to other guards.

Would you mind sharing Trieus skills with me?

sure sending

It is happening right now but it is a very long process so everyone needs to be patient while Iwen looks at all the possible prospects.

This is a general question to all Aussie managers:

Firstly, if Iwen does step down, who is seriously interested in the job? If you were my students I'd ask for a show of hands. lol However, would mangers use their fingers instead and type in their intentions. Let the Aussie community know who to start considering.

Secondly, and more importantly, what do people think are the main challenges that face the next coach of the U21 NT? I know this isn't the election forum but I can't see why we can't all have an informal chat about some of the things we, the Aussie community, feel needs to be addressed/improved/discussed regarding the U21 NT.

I will begin this with two statements to get the ball rolling:

1. Regardless of who gets the job I think it's of benefit for us to discuss some of the issues surrounding the role of U21 NT Coach earlier than usual. Otherwise, we have nominees bombarding the election forums and associated threads over a few days rather than preparing carefully considered, well thought out ideas on how to run the U21 NT. This will reduce the liklihood of the election becoming a popularity contest but instead a genuine election of a manager/team of managers who have the skills and desire to do the job.

2. While it seems impossible to have an U21 NT 'Team of managers' rather than simply a coach and his/her 'apprentices' (as ultimately, somone's name must be voted on as 'the' coach), I think the Aussie community should start thinking more seriously about creating a communal ownership of our U21 NT. By this I mean we create a structure that can be put in place and upheld from season to season, from new manager to the next. This 'structure' could outline the positions required, the roles of those positions, the expectations of players (skill sets) and the expectations of managers who have players in the team etc. At present this information kind of exists but isn't easily accessible and definately not for new managers...the future of Aussie BB. By agreeing on this information and creating a 'structure' or team template, all Aussie managers can view it, discuss it and ultimately help maintain and improve it long term.



We've heard from previous U21 NT coach's and assistants and there seems to be a recurring message: it's a big job that requires significant commitment from a number of managers. We also hear that the forums are always dead and managers struggle to maintain GS. Well, how do we address these issues? If we accept them to be true, then what can we do as a community to address them? What can 'we' put in place to limit these disruptions? What do 'we' need to have in place to help create and run a fully functional U21 'Team of managers' that will see us become successful internationally. Not just for a season or two but a powerhouse on the international stage?

good points there greeny, and im going to maybe challange this conversation a bit by saying this:

will any of the above make a difference?

Sure if no one took the position seriously, we would probably go backwards, but will any of the above 'community' propositions make an actual difference?

when it boils down to it, there are only so many players who are 21 who are good enough to play. no new good draftee's means the team doesn't get better.
Perhaps the Aus community needs more users like Iwen who did the whole 'drop to Div IV' tactic?

lewisham wombats dropped from abbl last season due to lack of interest in the game - perhaps we as a community need to identiy the users who are planning on doing this or even encourage users to do this if they are not planning on playing the game in the standard manner.

If more experienced managers dropped to lower leagues = more experienced managers investing in the draft = more experienced managers with good draftee's to train.

imagine if everyone in the abbl tanked, ended up in different DIV III leagues, finished last, all drafted an ATG, and then trained them. how crazy would that be!

anyways - just a thought.

good points there greeny, and im going to maybe challange this conversation a bit by saying this:

will any of the above make a difference?

Sure if no one took the position seriously, we would probably go backwards, but will any of the above 'community' propositions make an actual difference?

when it boils down to it, there are only so many players who are 21 who are good enough to play. no new good draftee's means the team doesn't get better.
Perhaps the Aus community needs more users like Iwen who did the whole 'drop to Div IV' tactic?

lewisham wombats dropped from abbl last season due to lack of interest in the game - perhaps we as a community need to identiy the users who are planning on doing this or even encourage users to do this if they are not planning on playing the game in the standard manner.

If more experienced managers dropped to lower leagues = more experienced managers investing in the draft = more experienced managers with good draftee's to train.

imagine if everyone in the abbl tanked, ended up in different DIV III leagues, finished last, all drafted an ATG, and then trained them. how crazy would that be!

anyways - just a thought.

I agree that the limited number of trainees owned or drafted by Aussie managers will always dictate, to some extent, what future U21 teams look like but I guess my 'community' proposal isn't designed to address that specifically but indirectly.

Let's put aside the vast number of experienced managers we have for a moment and look at the new Aussie managers coming through. After all, let's face it, often it is these guys (new to DIv IV, III and to a lesser extent II) who come in, draft a MVP, HOF or ATG and either neglect them, half-hazardly attempt to train them, or sell them overseas all because they don't know what they've got. The community idea I put forward is more about setting up a visual place (thread) where it is made very clear to all the community's expectations regarding the U21 NT. This thread, complete with links to training info elswhere and to experienced Aussie managers, would become the U21 NT hub. New managers and old alike could create, develop and maintain it. I guess this is how I could see the community approach being beneficial to training U21 guys. Get hold of the new managers earlier. Get them to hold onto their prospects while we get them up to speed faster. Get them aquainted with how to train them efficiently earlier.

Of course, this is where the vast number of experienced managers come into play. And yes, I completely agree with your suggestion/thinking regarding more Aussie managers like Iwen doing the training/farming thing. I can already see this starting to happen. I've been playing BB since S14 now and this season in particular has seen (imo) more Aussie managers chasing Aussie players, more Aussie managers talking about keeping or getting back former Aussie players and more Aussie managers talking about Aussie draftees and the need to get them and train them hard. There is a shift. As a community, we might embrace this swing and utilise the experience (and cash) of those managers we have and know so well.

id love to see the offsite forum used as a place for ALL aussie trainees to self-update their players skills there throughout the season. Its not hard, gives a common place to show how your guy is doing, ask qus, and get/give advice. And it makes u21 manager/assistants job alot easier

This season the site has been DEAD. As a motivated trainer of 3 MVP+ trainees, I think the support, primarily from that site, could be a whole lot more.

I agree
We have the off site forum which keeps it only for local coaches and all coaches should make better use of it.
It would be great if there could be a special NT/21 NT forum which is only open to local managers and that they either need ot be approved or being active for a min period of time to stop others gaining access.
Be a little easier then going to a new site to see if there are any new post.

I am thinking of running and if I do will hope to make sure we have lots of discussions on the off site forum but also on the general forum to engage all of our community.

Why I think it is great to include more and believe this is vital due to the way the system works on the person with the official job can do the most time consuming tasks. It would be great is assistants could also do some of the scouting somehow but I understand why it is set up as it is. The time required to do all this is much longer then the NT side and checking my open time during the correct time to be able to do so is the only reason I will not run. If I can not do it correctly I would not put my hand up.

This season the site has been DEAD.

Why has this happened?

I had a guy in there last season, and - ok it wasnt super busy, but prolly enough to keep me interested.

Is there perhaps too much in the way of forums and such going on? Perhaps the Wombat thread that has U21 discussion PLUS normal Aussie thread on U21 discussion PLUS the off-site forum is all just too much to follow?

Perhaps a cleaner - neater approach - off-site forum only - all queries on other forums directed to the off-site forum?

Good to see managers starting to talk but I'm not hearing many new ideas. Sure, directing all U21 NT enquiries to offsite forum is one idea; however, again...what about all the new managers coming into the game in the lower Divs who score these great Aussie talents? How are we addressing them? How are we encourgaing them to become engaged?

What system do we have in place to help them? Simple one-off posts about "You have apotential U21 NT player..." is okay but perhaps there is a better way? Perhaps we can get their interest in other ways?

Last edited by Mr J at 5/26/2013 9:51:57 AM