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From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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324689.348 in reply to 324689.345
Date: 3/6/2025 8:18:08 AM
Wagner College
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I can't speak for everyone here, Wagner, but I seriously think simpler is better.

I will also take this opportunity to again thank you for your time and effort, but ask you consider everyone's thoughts and feelings on this.

We should also wait to hear from others. Mine and Gccsteel are but two voices.


Your opinion is certainly noted and appreciated, thank you.

I do also want to thank you for the time and effort you've put into this, and hopefully will keep doing so in the future as well.

I do agree we should hear from the others too. Like I mentioned, with a risk of repeat as it's such a critical issue, we should establish some baselines for this in the future (do not need to decide it now; I have some suggestions about that in mind - polls open for 14 days in the newly established forum, etc., but more on those later) to ease the process of for example making decisions on some aspects concerning the home grown league, and make it possible to get some decisions out in a certain time frame.

For instance, I don't want to jump into any conclusions, but you were asking from our community in one of your posts, that would managers back up your suggestion of me becoming a league Commissioner for the first season of league, and I also "quoted" your question in maybe 1-2 of my posts to get some response. What we´ve got is 0 response so far. You read right: 0.
And we're living quite critical time in terms of finalizing the work and getting the league started next season. (I've done some of the work in the background just in case already though, so many parts of it such as new forum thread text is practically almost ready, should I get the "official approval" to be Commissioner from our community).

Should I make some conclusions from that? I wouldn't prefer, as I'd like a direct approach in where people state their opinion, whatever it is. I'm not going to attack anyones' opinion, as long as they treat me with respect. I also consider being patient, and do expect people having good intentions in their communication. It's totally OK to be direct with me in communication, so please don't hesitate on that.

I haven't felt the need to write some "election speech"-type of stuff in order to convince people that I'm in this seriously. My direct approach is maybe not everyones' favorite approach, but at least it should keep table relatively clean, especially as people always keep in mind that I do not have any intention or need to attack anyones' opinion by being direct in my communication, but I instead appreciate different opinions. It is necessary for all to remember that we don't need to agree on everything (it would be impossible anyway...), and still can make it work, and make it work big time.

Also, in stating an opinion there's a challenge if one voices their opinion without giving any grounds as to why they think like it, we could never know which aspects they have even considered (or read all the stuff that has been written in forums and taken that into account when forming opinions, or did they just flip a coin). That downside is especially emphasized if we only receive few opinions (instead of opinions of 14 managers).

What I also consider problematic in deciding what people think/would vote is 'if they don't say anything, take it as a silent yes'-approach. While it's sometimes maybe necessary approach, it also does have major risks built in it, causing especially challenges in manager commitment levels if they in reality don't agree with decisions.

So we still have 10 out of 14 managers that haven't voiced their opinion on this rule set/penalties-issue (after new suggestion has been sent to forum on this Tuesday) - please do, as we do not have all that much time to finalize all aspects concerning the league starting next season.


From: T-Lit
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324689.349 in reply to 324689.348
Date: 3/6/2025 12:21:41 PM
Buckner Bandits
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I appreciate all the hard work you all are putting into this, I agree with the Keeping It Simple method. Rules are needed if not followed, but this is a game for enjoyment, so officially my vote is keep it as simple as possible.

From: Wagner

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Date: 3/6/2025 8:44:01 PM
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Thank you for voicing your opinion T-Lit - after casting your vote the "official score" (without my vote, which is quite obvious) at the moment seems to be 3-1 to favor more simple rules.

While I prefer another (more thorough) approach, I do also appreciate some aspects that having simple rules create - like I said, I don't think this is a black or white thing, but each option has pros and cons.

Some people (like me) even find enjoyment and nice added challenge from certain type of complexity (rules, etc.), especially when their existence serves a purpose. But again, no "wrong" answers here, so (also other managers) please keep on posting your opinions. :)

From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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324689.354 in reply to 324689.351
Date: 3/6/2025 9:11:08 PM
Wagner College
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Without responding to each and every one of your points, Wagner, I believe the following question to everyone might respect everything thus far completed/discussed, while moving us necessarily forward.

Attention HG Managers, please simply read the following and select a number that represents your current readiness to compete in the HG league due to start next season. Respond to this post with a number (your choice).


Thank you again, MrJ! You are definitely correct by writing "moving us necessarily forward" at this point of time, where we still have few things to finalize before everything is ready for the launch of the homegrown league. No need to panic yet of course, but it's beneficial to have some sense of urgency here so that we can get things moving and done in time.

And while it is not crucial to be able to start immediately when next BB season starts (like mentioned in previous message, completing a homegrown league season should take 10,5-11 weeks, and as BB season lasts 14 weeks, that does give us little breathing room and things don't collapse if we're not launching the league on day 1 of season 68), I think it definitely wouldn't be ideal to leave way too many tasks and decisions for the last week before homegrown league launches.
So I'm glad to see you're back (and out of hospital), that will surely help us to get everything finalized!

As for the voting (1-5), I guess I need to disqualify myself from this voting as it combines both Commissioner voting and voting on rules. But if you guys see me as a good fit for it, of course I'd be excited to be the league Commissioner - maybe that was quite obvious anyway, but now it's said!


Last edited by Wagner at 3/7/2025 7:53:35 AM

From: Paul George

To: MrJ
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324689.356 in reply to 324689.351
Date: 3/7/2025 3:57:59 AM
Rajdersi
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From: demars
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Date: 3/7/2025 7:06:17 AM
Elan Demars
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BTW, we didn't vote for the name of the league ;)
(I used to like my HG² ;)

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