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first, we did state the the merchandising info would result in an increase in money of up to 10-20% depending upon the makeup of the team.

Forrest, the news of season 8 claimed that domestic players would become better economically (10-20%) than foreign ones.
It's not the same. For example, in HT this is done by making foreign players' salaries more expensive and thereby increases the costs.

You seem to be upset at the steps we took, but you haven't expressed an alternate solution to the broader macroeconomic concerns we were addressing in each case.

I actually like the direction your steps go towards. Managing the game economy is far from being trivial and is probably far from being the most fun part for you.
I am upset because all your effort was sort of ruined by the inflation we are observing on the market. From Charles' words I understand that it was not intentional and, in a way, I am happy to hear that.



Last edited by Newton07 at 9/28/2009 5:30:09 PM

I believe if you look back upon the large debate that was struck when we introduced this proposal, you'll find that the VAST majority of users were OUTRAGED at the idea of being penalized for having foreign players on their team, but were OK with the idea of getting a boost for domestic players, and so we gave them indication that we would be doing this as a boost to income. Perhaps we should have gone against popular opinion and not done it that way in order to avoid injecting more money into the economy.. however, I will point out that if we had done it the opposite way we would have been probably removing a large amount of money from the economy. Really in the long run, what we need is a way to tune the outflow of money to the inflow of money.. and as charles says that is exactly what the new salary formulation will do for us. Then we should not have to worry about large scale inflation/deflation as mechanisms will be built it to tune economic conditions appropriately.

we would have liked to put all these changes into place all at once immediately, but of course a) changing anything is upsetting to people and so we have to give them notice b) changing a lot of things at once is likely to result in people being even more upset, and also things are more likely to be screwed up by us and c) its difficult to recode all that code at once. So we implemented this in stages, and I think its possible that right now there is temporarily more money in the economy driving up prices.. although I'm not sure of it. Also, I think some of the changes effectively spread the money out more in the game, and made more users have more disposable income, which is something different than injecting more money in the game, but can still cause inflationary pressure at least in the short run.

From what checking i have done it does seem that more money is spent overall at the start of the season than the end.

Last edited by BB-Forrest at 9/28/2009 6:05:05 PM

i think a lot of managers are selling players who's prices are much higher than thee real worth. Looks like managers wants 1.000.000 for nothing - because normal players starts at 2.000.000

So is it possible to fight against those managers who are selling players like example - with JS 9 and few other skills maybe 6 and the rest even lower than 4 ? and for this they want 1.000.000

Last edited by smaidigais at 9/29/2009 7:27:55 AM

i think a lot of managers are selling players who's prices are much higher than thee real worth.

Apart from some very rare cases, this is impossible.

Just for the record, check this ( The name of the player isn't write because is on the market now) :

here have been 30 recent transfers of 23-24 year old small forwards with tremendous jump shot and allstar potential. XXXX XXXX is probably better than all 30 of these players, but the few that are most similar have been selling for around $ 1 800 000 to $ 7 250 000.

Range is such a joke, and the player is probably better than the other players that were sold in these values ...

:/

Last edited by Stratos at 9/29/2009 5:54:09 PM

lol what the hell? not only is it possible, it's happening all the time.

if it happens all the time, then it's their real value instead of a too high price. That's how a free market works.

The key here, I think, is that he is a SF. It can take upward of 7 seasons to train a quality SF. Imagine if the guy who sold for 7.25 million had 6-7 tremendous skills, plus add a couple more in the prominent range. Then he is worth at least 7.25 million, probably even more.

Now, imagine the guy with just tremendous jump shot and atrocious-inept in everything else. There is your 1.8 million guy (maybe even less).

The prices have gone up sure, but right now I am seeing no quality out there at all. These players are a joke. I am simply going to wait it out and not reward an owner who...

a.) didn't train his player efficiently and...

b.) has overpriced his player.

I look at it as conditional learning. He'll just do the same thing again if he's rewarded. And I don't want to see shoddily trained, overpriced players peppering the market. A market I use to enjoy spending hours on.

The prices have gone up sure,

I can't argue that the prices have gone up. I was simply pointing out the reason for a large varation in transfer price compare. I saw a SF with tremendous JS with a bid of 8 million on him and it seemed to me he was worth every penny.

As for your point about the quality of player, I have to disagree with you there. There are quality players on the market, you just have to be willing to pay for them.