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From: lordy

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Date: 2/22/2011 7:39:34 AM
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He's too old and slow, it's a pretty fair statement.

He will also be near untradeable at 14 mill x 2 years (and what, 37? at the end)

And I like the guy! and his game, he's just not suited to the knicks offense with a 7 man rotation over the course of a season. Might be ok for the playoffs but it would be hard.

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Date: 2/22/2011 3:14:59 PM
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Three things here from me

1 - Everyone gets hung up on Carmellos scoring but he plays NO D AT ALL. Just like Amare - they won't be winning squat anytime soon even if they managed to land Chris Paul.

2- When Miami & Boston put together their big threes they both got elite defenders in the deal (Garnett & LeBron) as well as a 2nd guy who was decent (Pierce & Wade). NY has none of this. The bench depth will come in the offseason or NY but it won't really matter. D'Antoni is a very good offensive coach. He has managed to make NY the 2nd highest scoring team in the league........but he does nothing on D - they concede the most points. Amare and Carmello play right into this.

3- I think they will take a dive this season as they now have lost their best spot up shooter in Gallinari (crusical to D'Antoni's system) and the 2 biggest acquisitions(Melo & Billups) are not great at playing the pick and roll which is Amare's bread and butter.

From: iwen
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Date: 2/22/2011 6:40:58 PM
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Bang on Noodles.

Billups is a great PG, no doubt. In fact, he would be a perfect acquisition for the Lakers as he'd fit the triangle perfectly. He's great at running offenses and being a 3pt threat. He's never been an athletic guy nor that fast, pick and roll just isn't his thing. Amare needs the pick and roll to get his 15-20 points a game. You can't give him the ball at the low post and let him do his work, he just can't.

Melo is a great scorer no doubt, but does most of his scoring via isolations either from the perimeter or in the high post. He doesn't defend as well. The problem now is with the Knicks offense, which essentially is pick and roll / drive - kick, you will have to alter that and allow for Melo to do his work. Melo isn't a great spot up shooter like Ray Allen. He needs the ball in his hands to score. Since he never really plays pick and rolls... what's Amare gonna do? Felton looked amazing in the Knicks offense cause the way he plays suits the Knicks. Much like Nash would be awesome for the Knicks. Now he's traded someone where Pick and Roll isn't played much, he won't be useful anymore...

They won't get Paul because they don't have the cap space nor the assets to trade for him or acquire him as a free agent. He'd have to accept around $10m to play for the Knicks, not even he's that desperate, especially if you could be earning $17m-$20m elsewhere, the money is just too much to pass up.

All up, the only people that think this trade is a good thing for the Knicks are delusional Knicks fans who are blinded by the bright lights and uninformed people who think basketball is all about points and stats.

The Knicks lost some players with real good upsides in Chandler, Gallinari, Randolph and Mozgov. The best thing they did was drop Curry's contract. That's about it. Oh, and they'll get a boost in hype and marketing... But no D, no championship.

From: iwen

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Date: 2/22/2011 6:51:45 PM
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Here's the sweetener. If Knicks didn't land Carmelo, they would have approx $30m in cap space come 2012 free agency, enough to get Paul or Williams AND Howard.

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Date: 2/22/2011 7:05:29 PM
Koopasaurus
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dwight is going to LA, just like what shaq DID hehehe
the comedian cant say no to hollywood.

From: lordy

To: iwen
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Date: 2/22/2011 7:11:52 PM
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It took me a long time to find the post but:

Instead of isolating him all night, the Nuggets had Carmelo Anthony stand in the corner while they ran pick-and-rolls and post-ups that drew his defender into the lane. The result: A huge scoring night for Anthony, and an easy win for Denver. This approach could probably also add years to his career thanks to reduced wear and tear.

http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/01/24/nuggets-play-to-carmelo-anthonys-strengths-against-pacers/

This is also the guy who was shooting a ridiculous percentage at the olympics etc while essentially just spotting up. The guy can shoot! It might work ok on the offensive end (at least, for him).

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Date: 2/22/2011 7:32:38 PM
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its no secret that carmelo can shoot, hes one of the best offensive players in the world atm. i rate him second just a nose behind kobe

1. kobe
2. carmelo (a very close second)

problem for the nicks now is getting players to surround the big two with, maybe shane battier or something lol

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Date: 2/22/2011 8:58:51 PM
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Battier would be nice addition - as would pretty much anyone else who can play D and pass and doesn't really care about stats cos lets face it after Melo and Amare get their shots there isn't going to be that many left.

The bloke i would really love to see in D'Antoni's system is Kevin Love.

From: SplitJ
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Date: 2/22/2011 9:44:54 PM
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knocks on billups and melo in Antoni's system...

1. Billups is too slow and cant run pick and roll... isnt pick and roll designed for slower, less athletic guard? do you think steve nash is the fastest person in the world... he probably has the same speed as derek fisher... I dont know if you guys remember billups in piston where he basically run pick and roll on big plays and do a fadeaway 3 which is unblockable...

2. Gallinari is a big part of the offense... really?! so carmelo is an inferior shooter to gallinari? in fact melo is a much better spot up shooter and can take it to the rack when defender start cramping which gallinari cant do!

3. no defense from melo... so knicks is one of the best defensive team around...? antoni have never relied on defense and he never will...

if you want to blame then blame the D'antoni's system not the players... putting a great defensive player in a system that only value offense will only lessen the value of that particular player. you guys think that defense is a single player thing even tough its a team thing, if you have the best defensive player and his teammates dont play defense then the other team will score quite easily...

I am not a knicks fan but I think they definately got a better deal than nuggets, they gave away only 3 terrible picks... 2014, knicks could be a contender by then so... and 2 second rounds...

I dont understand what is all the fuss made over a few average starter... Gallinari is not as great of a 3pt shooter as everyone made him out to be anyways 34%, only grabbing 4 rebs despite his 6'10 height.

mognov = undrafted guy and because he run the floor?! wth... who the hell cant run the floor, just a coaching instruction... even thabeet can play better than this guy, he is just there for the size

chandler is the only good guy nuggets got... he is a solid starter that might or might not be a great starter, never going to be a superstar... he is 23 or 24... been a "great" player that might break out for many seasons now but he never has.

Randolph = unproven as I said before due to limited minutes

felton = an average guard turn good by the system, and to all you people who thinks that he is a much better than billups and billups cant run an offense just because he might be slower... two words - get real!
and steve nash... felton was terrible in the playoffs btw...


to all the people who think they are best buds with Carmelo and "knows" he wont just stay with nuggets or sign with another team then I cant be bothered... knicks isnt the only option, he could have take a pay cut and join the heat, join Magics where howard eats amare for breakfast if they matchup...

edit: lawson is starting over felton... what does that say about felton? oh btw felton isnt the most athletic of guards either...

Last edited by SplitJ at 2/22/2011 9:48:52 PM

From: iwen

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Date: 2/22/2011 10:42:53 PM
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I don't know if you do it deliberately or accidentally but you don't read anybody's posts properly and just wing it.

1. Billups is too slow and cant run pick and roll... isnt pick and roll designed for slower, less athletic guard? do you think steve nash is the fastest person in the world... he probably has the same speed as derek fisher... I dont know if you guys remember billups in piston where he basically run pick and roll on big plays and do a fadeaway 3 which is unblockable...


When Billups was at his prime at the Pistons when they were serious contenders you would have been 11-12. Anybody can run a pick and roll, with varying success. Fisher doesn't run it cause he can't create a mismatch. The Pick and roll has a few outcomes, a defensive switch, a path to the hoop for a layup/kick, an open jumper for the guard or forward. The more athletic guards can move around the pick much quicker to open space and create plays from it. Nash is fast and agile. Billups isn't, that's why it works. To add to that, Nash is a fantastic passer of the ball. Billups is 34, will be running around playing 38 minutes a game (minutes Felton was playing). He'll get run into the ground playing Run and Gun. Nobody said Billups was bad. We just said he doesn't suit the offense and isn't a huge upgrade over what Felton was already offering. Add to that his contract is insane and untradable.


2. Gallinari is a big part of the offense... really?! so carmelo is an inferior shooter to gallinari? in fact melo is a much better spot up shooter and can take it to the rack when defender start cramping which gallinari cant do!


Again wrong. Gallinari is a big part of the offense cause he creates space. He spreads the floor. Melo doesn't. You will not see Melo happily camping on the perimeter during offensive sets, he'll go looking for the ball. More players in the paint, less room for Stoudemire to do his work. Gallinari is as good a shooter as Melo, and has a higher shooting ceiling. He shoots 38% from 3pt in his career, which will most likely rise to 40%. He shoots 6 FT's a game, which means you criminally underrate his driving ability. Carmelo is a better scorer, but not a better shooter. Ray Allen is a better shooter, but not a better scorer. There's a difference...


3. no defense from melo... so knicks is one of the best defensive team around...? antoni have never relied on defense and he never will...


Defense is infectious. If one of your superstars demands everybody lock down on defense, the team will listen. When your superstar doesn't give a shit about defense, nobody else will. Case in point. Pierce and Allen were never great defenders. Garnett came along and made them better defenders. They feed off his defensive energy and work hard on that end of the floor. If your leader isn't making you work hard on defense, nobody will.


I am not a knicks fan but I think they definately got a better deal than nuggets, they gave away only 3 terrible picks... 2014, knicks could be a contender by then so... and 2 second rounds...


They won't be a contender cause they have nothing. They can't build for a while cause there's no assets to trade, no draft picks to trade, no cap space. Nothing.


I dont understand what is all the fuss made over a few average starter... Gallinari is not as great of a 3pt shooter as everyone made him out to be anyways 34%, only grabbing 4 rebs despite his 6'10 height.


Galli is a SF shooter. 38% 3pt in his career, he's just coming off an injury so his shooting is a bit down. Again, height doesn't affect rebounding much, Dejuan Blair says hi. Besides, if he's boxing out and keeping his man closer to the perimeter, he shouldn't need to pull down rebounds.


From: iwen

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mognov = undrafted guy and because he run the floor?! wth... who the hell cant run the floor, just a coaching instruction... even thabeet can play better than this guy, he is just there for the size

chandler is the only good guy nuggets got... he is a solid starter that might or might not be a great starter, never going to be a superstar... he is 23 or 24... been a "great" player that might break out for many seasons now but he never has.


Mozgov is a pretty decent player. Running the floor can't be coached. It's all about will. Some players do it, some don't. End of. Turiaf isn't mobile and doesn't run the floor. Neither does Kwame Brown. Mozgov fits the offense well cause you don't need to wait for the rest of your team to get in place. Thabeet is awful.

Chandler is alright, but he was always going to leave as an unrestricted free agent, so they were always going to lose him.


felton = an average guard turn good by the system, and to all you people who thinks that he is a much better than billups and billups cant run an offense just because he might be slower... two words - get real!
and steve nash... felton was terrible in the playoffs btw...


I don't know where you got this from, but it certainty wasn't from reading people's posts.


to all the people who think they are best buds with Carmelo and "knows" he wont just stay with nuggets or sign with another team then I cant be bothered... knicks isnt the only option, he could have take a pay cut and join the heat, join Magics where howard eats amare for breakfast if they matchup...


Heat have no cap space. They can't get Anthony. Anthony was insistent that he get his $65m contract. With the CBA coming in, there's a high chance he won't get anywhere near that amount of money. No team will sign him unless he will sign an extension. Every deal would only go off if he signed, he didn't want to sign with the Nets or Chicago. It was NY or Denver.

Magic have some assets but no depth, they need some bigs, and the Heat have NO CAP SPACE. You can't say "he'll join this team, that team" without looking at their situation. Have a think before you open your mouth. It makes you look silly.


edit: lawson is starting over felton... what does that say about felton? oh btw felton isnt the most athletic of guards either...


Lawson is good, Nuggets are high on him. Felton is a trade chip. Also, he's not eligible to play tonight, so moot point.

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