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Go look at my last stint in D4. I believe it was season 12? Own3D and Wahoowa were both in my conference that season and I went 22-0. go ahead and tell me how I did it. I had the best defense in the league and far less offense, but one convincingly. All three of us are playoff teams in D3 and Own3D actually made it to D2, but is relegating back down. We were all defensive minded squads. Defense is far more important than offense.

Preach Stauder, you guys better listen to him he knows what he is talking about.

Looks like you got completely dominated by a team that had far superior offense to you....

Not sure on average, will give you mine as a top end example.
Starters only- can't afford backups anywhere near this good.
PG-Wondrous
SG-Prolific
SF-Prodigous/Proficient
PF-Tremendous-Stupendous SB as well
C-Sensational

When was this? The team I lost to in the playoffs this season is 15 points better than me for sure. He is better offensively AND defensively this season. I went FCP because I had very little chance and rolled the dice. Backfired....I don't ever play so I said WTH? Did he beat me with his offense? lol no. go look at that teams scores...he plays a low scoring brand of basketball usually and he will win our league with DEFENSE. Thanks for using a team that ultimately backs up my defensive stance...but again you didn't really look very hard. Anybody can score in bunches against an FCP. If I go Motion/M2M That game is played much lower...much much lower.

Go look at my last season in D4. You go look at my games and my defense and watch how it dominated. Own3d and Wahoowa will both agree like I said.

You just don't go with FCP in close games, especially if you're the underdog and opponent has better inside players...

Looks like you got completely dominated by a team that had far superior offense to you....

Wow, I think you completely missed the point of what he was saying. The team that beat him also has a better defense than he is, and is also going to be the team to promote this season.

As the lower seed, playing on the road, against a better team, he had little chance anyway. Don't take a team that lost one game, and use that as a point that being outscored makes offense more valuable than defense. The team I am playing in the finals today is 21-1, puts up a pitiful outside shooting rating every game, and yet destroys everyone. His defense is high DII level or low NBBA worthy, and as result he rides that defense to win after win, after win.

Why is everyone obsessed with LP in your league? Or is it a general trend in DIII?

Why is everyone obsessed with LP in your league? Or is it a general trend in DIII?

I dont think everyone is obsessed with LP in my league. Most of our teams are outside teams. USA Elite who is an unorthodox team plays LP every game....his perimeter defense is great, the weak link in his defense are his big men...so obviously people who play him are going to go with inside tactics. Oakland Soldiers who is in USA Elites conference, completely rebuilt themselves on the fly, and I am imagine they did so with an eye towards competing with USA Elite...so naturally, he bought great big men, and built a team designed to attack inside.

The Irving Longhorns have some good big men, and play Look Inside alot, and I play Look Inside almost exclusively....but if I am not leaving anyone out, the rest of the league is largely comprised of perimeter offenses.

(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/league/7/overview.aspx?Season...)

Look at season 11 in league III.2. I promoted to this league after winning D5 and D4 not knowing what the heck I was doing. It helped that my D5 and D4 leagues I was in were terrible at the time. I was awful and unprepared for that level of play and III.2 was a very tough league that season. I got abused and my defense was nowhere near ready to compete...but neither was my offense.

I want to use FC Shocker for my example. He led the entire league in scoring by quite a bit and won 6 GAMES!!! That's it. 6 Games and he was the BEST offensive team in the league. FC Shocker is currently in division 4 again as he has bounced up and down between divisions because he never developed his defense. He chose to be offensive and he cannot win consistently enough to stay in division 3. If you look closely at that link then you will also see the 2nd leading scorer won his conference and finished runner up. He won the league the next year. HOWEVER he also gave up the 3rd fewest points. He had one of the best, if not the best, defenses. If he didn't he doesn't come close to finishing where he did and ultimately winning a tough league the following season. If you look at the team that won the league you will see it was the SBCT Rebels. They had, in my opinion, the best defense in the league. They did give up 1 more point than the second place team in their division however.

When I got demoted I reworked my team in the division I pointed out to you earlier. I went 21-1 (forgot about the loss as I earlier said undefeated) and gave up 1375 points! That's it! Nobody else gave up less than 1600 but myself...although giving up 1608 was a feat by the Cavaliers as well. They promoted the next season. The entire great 8 conference that season gave up more than 2000 points. As a result the defensive conference absolutely abused them in interconference play. After interconference play not one team in the great 8 had a positive PD. It was hilarious. Only two teams finished with positive PD in the great 8 by the end of the season and it was only +49 and +14. Those two teams are the only two teams that even had winning records on that side.

So you tell me where all of your proof is that offense is more important because I have plenty of examples to go back to using defense as the blueprint of success.

Jason commented earlier and he is promoting because of elite defense as well. I think you're on a lonely island with your opinion on this one....maybe a few ship wrecked souls may join you, but not too many.