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From: GM-hrudey

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The only people elected to be national team manager is the above average and i think it is time for change.


Preach on, brother. By definition, only half of the managers can be in the top half of managers. There's no shame in being one of the ones that makes a top half possible.

On this platform of change, are you willing to commit to a strategy of playing only 3 roster players and lucky fans for the other two? That'll make us impossible to predict, since nobody will be able to calculate the skills of our lucky fans. Down with look inside, up with look to the bleachers!


Whille I agree that a person should not be elected solely based on how high they moved up in the divisions...anyone running should be able to demonstrate that they understand everything pertaining to running a team, and not have glaring weaknesses in their own personal team.


How dare you respond to that with what appears to be a reasonable post?

I have to agree with you for the most part. Progress up the league structure is something that is a function of both time and managerial aptitude, with some luck involved as well. (Well, time is less a factor for some, who find a way to go up from 4 to 2 in two seasons, but I digress). A team that built up a huge wad of cash and VSed their way up against woefully undermatched competition, for example, might not be an ideal choice. A team that's moved up with a flexible and relatively equal squad against similar or better competition, on the other hand, has something voters can look at as being a great qualification for the job.

Lower level teams don't have the track record to rely on, so you're right that they need to demonstrate that they understand the game. I am not sure that the "glaring weaknesses" in the personal team is as much an issue if they understand what the weaknesses are and explain why they're doing that. But there's a definite standard of knowledge that has to be demonstrated, and if their club doesn't do that, they'd better be able to do so in some other way, ideally starting with volunteering with the NT/U21.

Mostly, I just get a kick out of the idea that change for change's sake is the answer to every problem. I haven't seen nearly as many elections here as other games, but it's a recurring theme -- lower level managers saying that they'll achieve success via change and that electing higher-level managers has failed so it's time to try something new. Nothing wrong with that platform if they can back it up, of course, but ... yeah. ;)

From: Jason

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Date: 7/26/2011 1:32:42 PM
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I was waiting for you to show up.


1) Jfarb used a 2-3 very successfully versus Italy this year. Do you think that was a one time fluke or do you think 2-3 can be a viable defense in certain situations at the NT level.

2) What do you think Jfarbs greatest accomplishments and failures were in his tenure.

3) Most importantly what do you think about edju


1. Honestly, the jury is still out on 2-3 in my mind. I have seen 2-3 work well, and I have seen it do things, it quite frankly shouldn't do. In my league championship I just played, I faced a guy that seemingly has the perfect team to play 2-3 against. He has zero outside shooting ability and is either a dunk or miss on 90% of his possessions. That said, all season long, I kept seeing teams that played him 2-3, and he still torched them, sometimes shooting over 50% mostly on dunks in the paint. So, I chose to stick with m2m in my finals series, knowing it did so well against him in te regular season game, and in game 1 of this series, and I closed out the series in game 3 with m2m again. I simply went with, "if its not broek, don't fix it" when it came to my defensive tactical choice in this series.

So at this point, I am more of the opinion that other defenses work better...and I would be more inclined to use a 2-3 zone in a game where I felt overmatched and needed a hail Mary to pull it out.

2. Like I said in my speech, I think Jfarb's ability communicate and draw community interest back in the program were a huge success. He built a wonderful team, has some great minds involved more now, than in recent seasons, and has some up and coming guys involved as well. I would not characterize any part of Jfarbs tenure as NT coach a failure. And in fact, if he were running again, I would not be running.

3. He sucks.

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191253.37 in reply to 191253.3
Date: 7/26/2011 1:37:24 PM
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The only people elected to be national team manager is the above average and i think it is time for change.

How is this a bad thing? Don't we want the best managers possible to run the team?

From: Jason

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Date: 7/26/2011 1:38:55 PM
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I was waiting for you to show up.


1) Jfarb used a 2-3 very successfully versus Italy this year. Do you think that was a one time fluke or do you think 2-3 can be a viable defense in certain situations at the NT level.



It should also be mentioned, my opponent used 2-3 zone against me in Game 3. It was the most points he gave up all season :-)

From: DWeezy

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Date: 7/26/2011 1:41:15 PM
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Are you going to walk the walk? Or are you just here to talk smack?

From: Edju
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To all candidates:

Give me a paragraph about the greatness of Dirk Trujillo.

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
From: Jason

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191253.41 in reply to 191253.40
Date: 7/26/2011 1:45:21 PM
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To all candidates:

Give me a paragraph about the greatness of Dirk Trujillo.


Dirk plays for the Salisbury Auerbachs. He is 35 years old. His skills are declining. He should retire soon.

(4 sentences. Beginning, middle, and a conclusion. Its a pargraph.)

From: Stauder

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191253.42 in reply to 191253.31
Date: 7/26/2011 1:46:14 PM
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Whille I agree that a person should not be elected solely based on how high they moved up in the divisions...anyone running should be able to demonstrate that they understand everything pertaining to running a team, and not have glaring weaknesses in their own personal team.


Agree with this.

Furthermore, I think you can be a great manager that has even advanced to the NBBA and still NOT be qualified. You can know the ins and outs, ups and downs, etc... of the game engine and tactics, but that isn't enough. The person that runs for the national team needs to understand what it takes to build and maintain a community of support for the NT. Needs to understand the goings on of the NT over at least the recent future. They need to be able to communicate in a positive constructive way to others on the offsite. They also need to be able to listen sometimes, but also have the confidence to let their testacles hang and stick to their guns at other times. The running of a national team also requires lots of time on BB as well as the offsite. There is a ton of responsibility on the person that is elected and many things that people do not always think about that are not already involved in the offsite and inner workings of the program.

Honestly, out of the candidates so far, nobody completely fits this bill. Buckeye and bllr have zero credentials in my mind regardless of their success or lack thereof in this case as a regular bb manager.

Out of the current candidates, Jason fits the bill the most. I am confident in his team building, tactics, community involvement, and also the time he would put into it. My only reservation with you, Jason, is the lack of involvement on the offsite. However, you're interaction with all the managers involved there as well as the fact that you have closely followed the USNT/U21 teams still gives me the confidence you could get the job done.

It remains to be seen, but as of now we have only 1 capable candidate at this point in time.

From: Jason

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Out of the current candidates, Jason fits the bill the most. I am confident in his team building, tactics, community involvement, and also the time he would put into it. My only reservation with you, Jason, is the lack of involvement on the offsite. However, you're interaction with all the managers involved there as well as the fact that you have closely followed the USNT/U21 teams still gives me the confidence you could get the job done.

It remains to be seen, but as of now we have only 1 capable candidate at this point in time.


I appreciate the confidence...and while its true, in the past, I have not been active on the off site forum, I have recently began to frequent the site, and obviously that will continue going forward.

From: Stauder

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I appreciate the confidence...and while its true, in the past, I have not been active on the off site forum, I have recently began to frequent the site, and obviously that will continue going forward.


I should have mentioned this. You are correct.

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Date: 7/26/2011 2:01:11 PM
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Hi. Bring it.

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