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From: shikago

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198501.35 in reply to 198501.34
Date: 10/17/2011 8:43:58 AM
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I had a guy get 69 minutes and drop from 9 to 8. I had a guy drop from 9 to 7 after playing 85 minutes

I had a guy with 59-60 minutes fall to 7 (respectable).... So after keeping him at 55-65 minutes all season, right in time for the playoffs he ends up with the same game shape as a guy that played only 22 minutes. outstanding!

oh & my best player got 69 minutes only to have his DMI drop by *over* half. & that's with a massage dr. too, if that even matters. (4 of my starters got screwed actually).

From: shikago
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198501.36 in reply to 198501.35
Date: 10/17/2011 8:54:14 AM
Milwaukee Lethargy
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but... to make up for that I had a 41 year old coming off a skill decrease have his DMI go up by almost 10%! Without a pop in game shape either!
And oddly a 45 year old pop in game shape, but no DMI increase. (yes i know his game shape was so low that it can randomly pop at this point in the season)

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198501.37 in reply to 198501.36
Date: 10/17/2011 11:52:53 AM
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There are several factors at work. First, the range of minutes depends on more than just one week. Secondly, the GS doesn't automatically go up or down. Depending on how many minutes a guy plays and how many he has played in the preceding x number of differently weighted weeks, the final GS could be any of several numbers.

As for training GS, where you really see its positive effect is when you train it for two or three consecutive weeks.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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198501.38 in reply to 198501.37
Date: 10/17/2011 1:09:22 PM
Milwaukee Lethargy
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Depending on how many minutes a guy plays and how many he has played in the preceding x number of differently weighted weeks, the final GS could be any of several numbers.

But I've never played my starting center over 65 minutes any week this season... with 59 minutes last week how can his game shape only be respectable? No matter what other weeks are weighed, it shouldn't be that low?

Yet I frequently had rookies play 0 minutes half the season, then after a few weeks of 45-48 minutes often have them at proficient game shape?

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198501.39 in reply to 198501.38
Date: 10/17/2011 3:36:52 PM
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Even with your sweet minute management there is still a small chance his GS will drop. Maybe 10% or less. It happened. Of your 13 players who make more than $10k/wk. (trying to corner the market on over 40 guys???) 8 were proficient, 4 strong, and 1 respectable. I'd say that's a very good weekly team GS. Too bad your starting C is the guy at respectable, but maybe he was out with the old-timers playing pinochle and drinking gin rickeys.

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From: Stauder

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198501.40 in reply to 198501.35
Date: 10/17/2011 9:39:00 PM
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Did you train GS though?

From: Isaiah

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198501.41 in reply to 198501.40
Date: 10/18/2011 10:45:16 PM
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so if a guy is in proficient GS and he plays 92 minutes but you train GS along with having a massage doctor...what do you guys think his GS will do?

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198501.42 in reply to 198501.41
Date: 10/18/2011 10:50:59 PM
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Mine was similar to that and dropped to 7. I thought it would drop to 8 at worst.

From: strilfe

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198501.43 in reply to 198501.41
Date: 10/18/2011 10:54:43 PM
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it should lower the impact and could -according to sublevels- mean only one drop (or non). Don't think you have the risk of having 2 drops.

Now, if it's the first time in the season this player plays over 90 minutes, you have a chance that even without trainning GS you see any decline.

All this, but you must consider the random part of GS, that's impossible to calculate (stress on random...).

From: Isaiah

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198501.44 in reply to 198501.42
Date: 10/18/2011 10:54:57 PM
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oh boy....

From: shikago

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198501.45 in reply to 198501.44
Date: 10/18/2011 11:09:00 PM
Milwaukee Lethargy
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oh boy....

i've trained GS in the past, with a massage doctor, & still had guys drop with 70 minutes.

at least 1 time i trained GS, the results to my main players were worse than would be "expected" with no GS training. though a couple guys that played 20-30 minutes did increase greatly & an injured player didn't fall as much as he would have otherwise.

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