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From: dubertle

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242411.35 in reply to 242411.33
Date: 6/12/2013 11:07:20 AM
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Although it is admittedly pretty stupid that somebody can miss 1000s of FTs and not score one (any normal person would make make some), it is equally stupid to constantly moan about this fact when if FT is trained up to just awful this results in over 50% at the line (my experience).

What may be the real solution, rather than making FT trained as a secondary with JS training, would be to ensure that a players could not start with a 1 in FT, seeing as they are basketball players after all. Or, perhaps more realistically, make sure that players with atrocious make more free throws.

Whatever you may think, the reality is that if your player has a 1 in FT he's going to be what it says - atrocious. If you're that worked up about it, train it!

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242411.37 in reply to 242411.33
Date: 6/12/2013 1:09:47 PM
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Sometimes I wonder what people are thinking, when it comes to justifying bad game design.

No professional would shoot 0%. Period.


No professional would play 70 minutes a week at SF for his entire career and not have his skills go up simply because the coach was "training" other positions either. The whole idea of the game is that if you want a skill to go up, you train it - and if you don't and the skill is low, the player will perform badly at that skill. The magnitude of that "badly" is questionable - I'd rather see absolute zero be more along the lines of 20% FT shooting and make the training improve that percentage in a flat percentage type rate, but I'm sure that even if they did that we'd hear that "no professional would ever shoot 20%" from the line.

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242411.38 in reply to 242411.32
Date: 6/12/2013 1:57:58 PM
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Sarcasm bud sarcasm sorry if it didnt come across through the screen. Im just a little frustrated as to why it cannot be correlating with jump shot and pop after every 3-4 pops for jump shot. I think that would be very reasonable. In no way shape or form should they ever go pops by number of free throws made. Sorry you didnt get the sarsacm.

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Date: 6/12/2013 2:05:33 PM
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Sarcasm bud sarcasm sorry if it didnt come across through the screen. Im just a little frustrated as to why it cannot be correlating with jump shot and pop after every 3-4 pops for jump shot. I think that would be very reasonable. In no way shape or form should they ever go pops by number of free throws made. Sorry you didnt get the sarsacm.


I'm sorry. I missed the notification that the rules have changed so that once you've applied sarcasm that it's unavailable for anyone else in the rest of the thread.

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242411.40 in reply to 242411.39
Date: 6/12/2013 2:25:57 PM
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-_- fair enough hrudey

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242411.41 in reply to 242411.37
Date: 6/12/2013 2:29:25 PM
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So whats your point? Justifying a flaw by mentioning another stupid "feature" is not the smartest thing.

And as far as I understand it real world FT shooting is somewhat of an untrainable skill.

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Date: 6/12/2013 2:59:24 PM
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So whats your point? Justifying a flaw by mentioning another stupid "feature" is not the smartest thing.

And as far as I understand it real world FT shooting is somewhat of an untrainable skill.


Just that using "realism" as a determining factor of how the game should work is also, in your fine words, not the smartest thing - imagine the uproar if the games economy were tilted toward the top teams and leagues as it is in real life.

As a game concept, FT is being treated like any other skill - if you want it to get better, you train it. If not, you don't. Where there should be improvement is that the curve should be such that low skills should occasionally hit FTs and going up from one to three shouldn't represent such a major improvement. But there's no reason at all to say that it should be trained along with JS or the like, especially since it's the easiest skill already to train.

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Date: 6/12/2013 6:58:34 PM
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Im just a little frustrated as to why it cannot be correlating with jump shot and pop after every 3-4 pops for jump shot. I think that would be very reasonable. In no way shape or form should they ever go pops by number of free throws made..


I thought this was quite reasonable too but apparently, I was wrong.

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242411.45 in reply to 242411.38
Date: 6/12/2013 7:23:51 PM
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Im just a little frustrated as to why it cannot be correlating with jump shot and pop after every 3-4 pops for jump shot.

The only thing keeping them from being correlated now is the choice the user makes. It is extremely easy to have a player's jump shooting and free throw shooting correlate in BuzzerBeater, you just need to train free throws. You don't even need to train free throws nearly as much as you are training jump shooting.

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