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Wade is better than Parker? False. Parker was playing at an unreal level last season before getting hurt, probably an MVP level if not for Lebron. Wade's athleticism was noticeably diminished, he wasn't nearly as effective driving to the basket and teams completely disrespected his jump shot (for good reason, I might add). His scoring numbers were down and a much higher proportion of his baskets were assisted. And all of this was made even more clear during the playoffs.

Not sure what site or what roster you did to do your "math" but I'm pretty sure you're misrepresenting the situation (for starters, counting draft picks the Spurs currently have 17 players on their roster and the Heat have 16, not sure if you accounted for that but it doesn't look like it). I only considered players not likely to be on next season roster (e.g. no T-Mac for Spurs or Juwan Howard for the Heat). But I think it's pretty clear there's something off about your numbers. The Spurs have several important players in their early to mid 20s (Joseph, Leonard are the best examples). Heat players of similar age...Cole. That's it.

Chalmers is 27; I think we already know pretty much about how good he'll be. I explained why I don't consider Oden to be a rising young talent. Ennis is unsigned and no guarantee to make the roster, just a guy who impressed in summer league; if we consider him for the Heat then we would have to consider Deshaun Thomas for the Spurs, and he's two years younger. That would skew things more in the Spurs' favor. Same with Kabongo (unsigned, undrafted FA) and Jean-Charles (Spurs' first-round pick, also two years younger).

The fact that you're excited about Dexter Pittman knocking somebody out shows your moral values are seriously skewed. Ultimately, basketball is a game; a very high-stakes competition that is designed to get fans to cheer for something more than themselves, yes, but not ever worth risking harm to anyone else for. I never said you said anything bad about George or Hibbert, but I was mentioning that they were players on the rise.

Time does not give you the chance to get younger players. The Heat have no cap space for legitimately talented younger players unless they break up the big three. The only way they could get it otherwise is on rookie deals through the draft, and since they have low picks that they trade away that won't happen either.

I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but are you retarded or did your mother seriously not teach you how to read? You are completely misrepresenting everything I said. I can only assume your attention span is not long enough for you to finish reading my sentences.

-I said Durant is the greatest SF in the game NOT NAMED LEBRON JAMES, which I don't think anyone will argue.
-I said Green is a better player than any of the Heat shooters. I said Ray Allen was a better shooter but a much worse defender at his age, who can argue that? Remember, I am a Celtics fan; I've seen Ray Allen hit many more clutch shots for us than he's ever hit for you. I have the utmost respect for his pure shooting and I would never say Green is a better shooter. But to say Green is a better overall player because of his superior defensive abilities is different.

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overall, turtle is actually right

who cares about added ages, its about the PLAYERS

Yes, Duncan Parker and Ginobili are old, BUT they have a new generation of players including Leonard, Green, and other players overseas.

Myke Kabongo isn't nearly as good. And I watched UT games. Yes, he could learn but I don't think he's anything special

Thunder is really young. Lamb, Adams, PJ3, even Westbrook Durant and Ibaka are young. WHO will be deeper in lets say, 2-3 seasons? imo the Thunder, because by then, the young players i mentioned will eventually be starting/role playing for the Thunder while Westbrook and Durant will be in their prime. While Wade's knees will just deteriorate (age+the way his knees are now) and Bosh may not even be as good player as of now. Also, may i say Lebron could not be in his prime anymore? Because by then he'll HAVE to carry the Heat like he did with the Cavaliers.

If you wanna go into adding stuff up then we could add up young talent

Oden is a bust, so I'm not counting him. Heat have: 2
Thunder: 4
Spurs: 3

So those are facts

btw, +1 to turtle and cyclone

also, before you reply Fruity Cakes, it may be worth while to actually look up teams rosters/age and their stats; just saying

>fruity cakes "cold hard facts"

The thing about the Spurm's youth, is that they are only good players. None of them are Superstars, thats why, the spurm are considered older then the Heat. The spurm's Superstars are all over the hill. And there is a huge difference between Wade and pecker. (I don't even like Wade) pecker is a better passing PG. Wade is a far superior perimeter defender. Neither can shoot, but they can both get to the hole.

The Thunder have the 2nd best player in Westbrook. If he can smooth out his 3 ball, they could challenge the Heat. Durant, just doesn't get after enough on the D end to be considered the 2nd best player, in the league, let alone even his team. You saw what happened, when he had to lead them..... Ibaka's made great strides on his Jumper, now he needs to work on his inside game, otherwise, it still be the same result against this Heat roster.

The thing you guys are missing, which is why I don't count the Bulls as a threat, is the Heat have another notch, they ratchet up to, no one else can match that level play. The Bulls play the same in the regular season as in the post season, they can't go up that level, that is needed.

Personally, everyone is saying how the Pacers or the spurm let the Heat get away from them. From what I've seen, the Heat play down to their opponent, not the other way around. shrug.

Facts? Lets talk about facts

27 wins in a row.
Haven't lost consecutive games Since mid January.
back to back to back Finals appearances.
75% of the Heats post season wins this season were by double digits

Oh yeah, and they still have the best player on the planet by a mile. The 2nd best player isn't really that close.

When you say "Spurm" and "Pecker" are those meant to be insults? Because you're really just making yourself look stupid. If you haven't realized, the Spurs gave the Heat a serious run for their money in the Finals. Sure, they lost, but it was in a close 7 game series, and the Spurs have only gotten better this offseason. And when you say they don't have any superstars, have you not looked at Tony Parker's stats? He had one of the best seasons of his career, averaging 20 PPG and 7.6 APG, both very close to his career highs. Not to mention that Duncan and Ginobili haven't really slowed down, like Wade did in the playoffs.

The Thunder have 2 of the best players in the league in Durant and Westbrook. I'm not going to rank them because it's about the team's performance, not the players. However, saying that Westbrook is better than Durant simply isn't true. Durant lost without Westbrook in the playoffs against a very good Grizzlies team, but Westbrook would have too if Durant had been injured. The fact of the matter is, the Thunder would have gone to at least the Conference Finals and possibly the Finals if Westbrook had been healthy.

Any team in the NBA Playoffs can play at an elite level. It's just an issue of talent whether or not it can be enough to beat other teams with more talent.

So you're basically saying that the Heat are superior to everybody else in the league? In response to your facts:

That 27 win streak had a lot of games against easy opponents.
A lot of good teams are capable of doing that. It's just a matter of which teams you get matched up against and when.
The East really isn't that competitive compared to the West, so it's a lot easier to get to the Finals.
The margin of the win doesn't matter, all that matters is that they won. Sure, they won 75% of their Playoff wins by at least 10, but I'd be more concerned that they won that percentage of their playoff games than worry about the margin of victory.

One player can't do it all by himself, he needs supporting pieces to help him out.

usually calls em spurm, idk bout the "Pecker" quote tho

When you say "Spurm" and "Pecker" are those meant to be insults? Because you're really just making yourself look stupid. If you haven't realized, the Spurs gave the Heat a serious run for their money in the Finals. Sure, they lost, but it was in a close 7 game series, and the Spurs have only gotten better this offseason. And when you say they don't have any superstars, have you not looked at Tony Parker's stats? He had one of the best seasons of his career, averaging 20 PPG and 7.6 APG, both very close to his career highs. Not to mention that Duncan and Ginobili haven't really slowed down, like Wade did in the playoffs.

And you look like a fool, for not addressing anything I mentioned, about their youth only being good role players, not Superstars. So their Superstars are older then the Heat's. And I'm not sure, what planet, you live on, but Manu, (who I really like) has lost more then a step. Unfortunately. And you can't tell me that a 38yo isn't slowing down. In case you haven't noticed, my handle is WFU. I've been following Duncan, his entire college and pro career. He is slowing down and asked to do less and less each season.

The Thunder have 2 of the best players in the league in Durant and Westbrook. I'm not going to rank them because it's about the team's performance, not the players. However, saying that Westbrook is better than Durant simply isn't true. Durant lost without Westbrook in the playoffs against a very good Grizzlies team, but Westbrook would have too if Durant had been injured. The fact of the matter is, the Thunder would have gone to at least the Conference Finals and possibly the Finals if Westbrook had been healthy.

I agree with how far they could have went with a healthy Westbrook, hell the would have lost in the Finals again. The Thunder feed of Westbrook's attitude/leadership, Durant can't fill that void. Which is why I rate him above Durant.

Any team in the NBA Playoffs can play at an elite level. It's just an issue of talent whether or not it can be enough to beat other teams with more talent.

This just simply isn't true. Do you watch random regular season games and most of the playoff games? Cause if you do, you would notice that when Miami wants they can hit a level of play that is unmatched by anyone in the league, or your just wearing your hater glasses.

So you're basically saying that the Heat are superior to everybody else in the league? In response to your facts:

That 27 win streak had a lot of games against easy opponents.
A lot of good teams are capable of doing that. It's just a matter of which teams you get matched up against and when.

Really? cause all these teams, play the same teams, if it was so easy, we'd have more then just 1 streak that was longer over the past 40 years, right? Actually, in 40 years, there have only been 4 win streaks over 20 wins. That doesn't make it as easy or as common as you would suggest, and 2 of those where actually from longer then 40 years ago, so it has happened just twice in the last 40 years.

PS. Tupac would be rolling over in his grave, if he knew his motto was now a punchline handle.

27 games with EASY opponents???? I hope you relize a good team can lose at anytime the kings went to 2OT with the heat.
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In the thunder comment you keep saying IF IF IF even though they might have won against the spurs IT DIDN'T HAPPEN

In the 2012 Playoffs bosh went down on the pacers the heat weren't say IF THIS IF THAT they go there asses together and beat the pacers. I know what your think Westbrick is better than bosh but grizzles and pacers with good Danny Granger?? And Roy Hibbert destroying them in the paint. Wade wasn't even playing well in that series he was frustrated and started blaming the coach but LBJ did it with some help. Second of all OKC they had great players. Ibaka, Perkins, Martin, Sefolisha, Jackson. Thats a better supporting cast then the heat and the Thunder still lost.

And best players in the NBA
1:LBJ
2:KD

Don't look at roster pages i just remember lots of things :). And yes the thunder is very young but when the heat players get old and retire they have cap room to get younger players maybe next season because this off-season is a huge off-season for the heat so i predict letting old players go and signing young players.

Y'all just got trolled hard as fuck.

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