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Yes, there are some people who overbid on trainers, just like there are some people who overbid on players. So what?~Alec Burke

So what? Is that your answer? I should rip you to shreds for that reply with factual details of why it should not be that way. But I wont because you wont get it. Nothing but one way thinking, Omit things for your own benefits .

So, I'm not going waste my time further because some attitudes on the game are keeping new people struggling. I had my day in the sun on BB, not my turn to lead anymore. Its about the new comers. If you think it ok for them to waste money and over bid on trainers and etc. Then I guess that why a lot are getting discouraged. If you gave a damn about BB you wouldn't say "So What"

Btw I haven't failed at anything on BB mind you. But you, please tell me your failures and we can start from there . If we are going talk about understanding BB and failures. You have a lot to learn , I don't know it all but I do know that much.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 4/24/2015 9:31:26 PM

Please do go ahead and attempt to rip me to shreds - it should be hilarious to read. And if you do it using "factual details" it may be the first time you've posted such.

Telling new managers that they shouldn't get an advanced trainer when they can easily do so by spending less than 50k on a trainer who has a starting salary of less then 15k because someone else might overbid occasionally is bad advice. The fact that other people overbid is really not that important - it only impacts you if you are silly enough to follow along and overbid yourself. So it really isn't a big deal to anyone with a bit of self control and awareness that other people overbid, given the abundance of advance trainers with starting salaries below 15k who can be acquired for less than 50k.

The "advice" you have given in this thread is exactly the type of advice which likely causes new players to struggle and get discouraged. Because it will result in them being unable to train their players as well as they could when it is so easy for anyone to get an advanced trainer with both a low salary and a low bid. Instead you've recommended they get a level 3 (competent) by spending 100-150k. Talking about a discouraging result for a new player - they just way overbid on a getting an inferior trainer. If you are bidding on a level 3 trainer, you should be spending much less than 100k on the bid and getting someone with a salary below 10k. Actually, anyone spending more than the opening 1k bid on a level 3 trainer is overbidding.

I happily learn more about BB most days. Sadly, I've been reading your posts for years and haven't really learned anything from them, nor have I seen any evidence (no, I don't believe your claims about having been an NBBA team) that you have ever been better than a DIV team in the US - not an accomplishment in my opinion. But then again, everyone can set their own goals in this game and if being a low level team which competes against bots to build a fictitious bank account is your goal, that is fine. I'd be somewhat surprised if it is a common goal of most people who join the game however, so giving them advice to land them in your situation is quite likely to frustrate new players.

Telling new managers that they shouldn't get an advanced trainer when they can easily do so by spending less than 50k on a trainer who has a starting salary of less then 15k because someone else might overbid occasionally is bad advice.

That's true. But what kind of advice is it telling them that the trainer they get will make any difference? What kind of advice is it telling them that training as it is set up now makes good sense? Not picking on you or anyone in particular, just suggesting there is a lot more to it than the price of a trainer.

That's true. But what kind of advice is it telling them that the trainer they get will make any difference?

Truthful - since the level of trainer does make a difference. And I wouldn't say a person has to get a level 4 (advanced) - just that it is probably the best value and fairly easy to get at a good cost. If a new user wanted to start out more slowly, they could probably get a level 3 (competent) with a starting salary below 11k for a 1k bid. Or fire the trainer they start with and drop to a level 1 (minimal) and do team training like free-throws, since the trainer level doesn't matter for team training. But your OP was about whether or not it was actually possible to get an level 4 trainer for a fairly low bid - not asking for a comprehensive discussion about what a brand new team should do regarding staffing the trainer. I think there are some stickied threads which cover that.

What kind of advice is it telling them that training as it is set up now makes good sense?.

Well, since that is simply opinion about game design, I'm not sure how it is advice at all, regardless of what side a person falls on. I understand that you don't like the training system, and you of course are free to have that opinion. But I also don't consider the fact that you don't like how it is designed to equal that it "doesn't make sense" or is "illogical." If a person reads the game manual and any number of help threads, I think that training is pretty easy to understand and that it does make sense. And from that point, I think telling someone not to train because you don't like how training is designed is akin to telling them not to learn all the rules of the game they are playing and therefore forcing them to play at a disadvantage.

I would be surprised if most of the best teams in the world aren't there because they trained and know how training works. But you can rip on training if you want. I know so many users happy to train than changing training for the sake of changing would be a bad idea.

Now you can tell to newcomers to not train and why, let other users tell them to train and why, then the newcomers will make their own choice. Deal ? You are not alone in that fight, you have Mr Glass with you.

I would also be surprised. I think they likely did do some training to get to the top, and know how it works. In fact, those are the guys who defend training the way it is, no matter how illogical it is, because knowing how it works is an advantage to them that they don't want to give up.

For the record, I don't tell newcomers to not train and never have. But I also don't pretend it is logical the way it exists now. It is an illogical mess, but they have to put up with it because BB is a training sim even more than it is a basketball sim.

Its not my job to embarrass people but look here I have a created 150 million from arena alone in the past , no player flipping, minor selling players, no tanking, in every season I've been on BB made the playoff except 2, all from arena and winning all legit with bad teams , good teams it didn't matter.. I have a created 22 million with this team im sitting on 6 million( are you). No other div 2,3.,4 team make what i make which is 2.2 million a season. Go look at my game attendance and go look around and show me who has done it.? Only the top level is making what i make sdly some are not like your self. . So You haven't and I don't need to look. You don't know how, so I need to explain.

No tanking ,no cheap way of play with me. Trainers and players have differ cost for a reason and that reason is to be financially sound in management as you build within a system on BB. If you cant understand that then keep tooting your horn.

. If you played the actual way the game was meant to be played then maybe just maybe you wouldn't blow money on training for a tactic that everyone else is playing. You would have more than you have today in income and everything else, not to embarrass you. I play outside tactics more than anything which are the most expensive tactics on the games to build for and still has created mass revenue in the lower leagues , more than anyone. Put that point in your head what I would/could have in the higher leagues with also winning, once again 100 million+ if not more with this market if I wanted too.

Its too easy. So yea I don't need to understand anything you say because its minor to me.. Get your money up for all the player's you have, go train and call it success. Demoting because your not a financial success( which is part of the game, one of the the cores is financial success). Training for Li/lp alone never = profit, will never equal sure success. Planning does., which consist of many things On BB . Which you don't understand, because you haven't done it.

1. Is doing arena 1st, not when you damn well please , but 1st!! you haven't learned that lesson because your still doing arena when you damn well please. Which ends this conversation/


Last edited by Mr. Glass at 4/25/2015 5:46:51 PM

I don't a think 0000.3 is worth 15k$.

I'd gladly offer as much as 50k a week if i got a 30% boost in training!

The reason you'd do that with many others doing the same. is because you think you could make that 30% back or more in a sell. which is what going on, which is why some say get the higher trainer to start.

Which I said I understood, but again its not gureented to get 30% back with any sale of players just because you trained at a higher rate, you can get same sell rate with lower a trainer.No matter how we cut it.

@ egm Pertete. when did I express, don't train to anyone keep creating falsehoods/ I said don't buy expensive trainers and getting one cheap like some make it sound is not easy maybe because you live over seas and half the game is blind not to fight bid on the cheap good trainers.. I also find it funny you try to twist things for your favor. If level4 is the best then get rid of the others send that up to bb marin right now. But he will tell you the system is set up to different budget of the bb financial climate for all teams.

Something again you omit to say.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 4/25/2015 6:20:33 PM